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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Just wanted to chime in regarding biological warfare. Have no idea how a thread about STI tests turned into a military history discussion though.
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Last time I checked East Asians didn't use germ warfare as a means to genocide. |
I'm surprised you don't know Steelrails considering how much you know about military history and weapons systems. Germ warfare is nothing new and has been used since people realized catapulting rotting corpses into cities can spread disease. That includes East Asians. The mongols did it. The Japanese used biological warfare on Chinese centers of population during WW2.
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I don't know where your going with this. The whole idea of smallpox blankets seems to be a play off the trojan horse concept. As a means to genocide it is very limited. It was probably more useful as psychological warfare than a means to genocide.
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I don't know about the effectiveness of the small pox blankets, but historians attribute European diseases as the biggest factor that lead to the destruction of Mesoamerican and Native American civilizations. What I mean by destruction is that they killed more people than any weapons could. So germs can be a very effective means to genocide.
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| They didn't use germ warfare because their technology was decades behind us. |
Again, germ warfare doesn't really require state of the art technology. There are primitive forms of biological warfare. There were times in history where the East was more advanced than the West. Also, the Japanese during the first stages of WW2 had technologically superior fighter planes than the US.
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| At least we were ethically mature enough that we weren't committing genocides in the 20th century |
I don't know if you're talking about the West in general (or just white people) but "you guys" did have the Apartheid, and the little thing called the holocaust. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
J Also, the Japanese during the first stages of WW2 had technologically superior fighter planes than the US.
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Yep. The Japanese fighter plane the Zero was described as a "wonder weapon" by the Americans who first faced it
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| Early in the Pacific War, the Americans thought they were facing a "wonder weapon," the Japanese A6M2 Zero, the main fighter plane of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) in 1941. It flew rings around the American fighters of the time - Brewster Buffalo's, Bell P-39's, and (to a lesser extent) Grumman F4F Wildcats. The Zero pilots were superb; their machines were light, fast, and maneuverable. |
Not bad for people who were supposedly decades behind us in technology.
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Last time I checked East Asians didn't use germ warfare as a means to genocide. |
I'm surprised you don't know Steelrails considering how much you know about military history and weapons systems. Germ warfare is nothing new and has been used since people realized catapulting rotting corpses into cities can spread disease. That includes East Asians. The mongols did it. The Japanese used biological warfare on Chinese centers of population during WW2.
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I saw those as more targeted against adversaries rather than as part of a program of pure ethnic cleansing, especially given the vague nature of combatant status.
Certainly though biological warfare has been used by East Asians. Not putting them on any lofty moral pedestal, they can be just as evil as anyone else. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:14 am Post subject: |
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Wrap it up! Most Korean guys don't, so you'll make a lasting impression on her... probably in more ways than one.  |
I do. I'm just amazed that so many Korean women I've dated have been adamant about going bareback. Most get insulted when I roll on a rubber. It's no wonder 62% of all non-American babies adopted in the USA come from South Korea, when condoms are seen as an insult. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: |
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The small pox blanket story has been somewhat laid to rest. I think the Hudson Bay Company did that maybe once. Whites did use poisons such as arsenic to wipe out tribes. Small pox blankets would be too dangerous too handle. Disease was the big killer of native americans, ioften spread inadvertently. Russian Whaling ships visits to the Hawaiian islands left measles which almost wiped out the population. TRade with China spread the black death to Europe. Syphllis was Yaws in North America not a killerit changed and became deadly in the European population. Germs, viruses travel and more importantly change when entering new environments.
The mongols actually had bombs they would launch filled with poisons that would create gases that would make people ill also fecal bombs filled with feces taken from sick people.
The zero was designed by Howard Hughes. Japanese pilots and the ground crews were terrific. The speed and precision of the mechanics and technicians gave the Japanese an advantage early in the war. At Midway the Japanese lost 4 carriers but more importantly they lost the cream of their pilots and flight crews they never recovered from those losses.
I am curious, are people stigmatized by getting a t.b. test??? How about a lung e-ray.
Reggie y Your annoucement that you have been laid more than once in your life elevates you in all mens eyes. Could you give us an exact number of your conquests |
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earthquakez
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: |
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I don't mind getting tested as a visa requirement but I think it's time Koreans and other Asians such as the Japanese were subjected to the same tests and fingerprinting etc that they impose on foreigners.
Much of these measures are to do with xenophobia - the Koreans and Japanese have sex industries that exist in a hypocritical zone of 'illegality' that is nodded and winked at by the authorities and law enforcement. The lack of open dialogue on just how it is usual for workers in a company to go on sex trips in a group whether that is in Asia or to the brothel down the road (er sorry, 'barber' shop) or for men to still lose their virginity to or frequent prostitutes as a norm has undoubtedly resulted in a significant number of HIV infections in straight men.
Don't even get into the bisexual men and gay men -the covert nature of most of their activity especially in Korea where most of them are married after a certain age to keep up appearances also undoubtedly has resulted in a much higher number of HIV infections to add to the tally of reality rather than official denial. Throw in the lack of public education on using condoms and on alternative sexual practices as well as admission on just how big the numbers of Korean men using prostitutes regularly are and it's unrealistic to think there is not a serious situation going on here.
The only situation where HIV infections would not be at an alarming rate is that of intravenous drug users as Japan's and Korea's very strict anti drug laws see definitely less users of injecting drugs. No doubt deaths from HIV developing into full-blown AIDS are being concealed under the catch-all word 'cancer'. Hell in Japan it is still the custom not to tell a family member who is older that they have cancer. Imagine how much in denial they are about AIDs.  |
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Buddah's Slipper
Joined: 12 Mar 2012
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The lack of open dialogue on just how it is usual for workers in a company to go on sex trips in a group whether that is in Asia or to the brothel down the road (er sorry, 'barber' shop) or for men to still lose their virginity to or frequent prostitutes as a norm has undoubtedly resulted in a significant number of HIV infections in straight men. |
Any data to back-up this claim, Sparky? In fact, any data to back up any of your absolutes?
You do know that HIV transmission from a woman to a man via vaginal intercourse is so low its almost infinitesimal right? I know the media, church and condom makers will have you believe otherwise, but its the truth, Ruth. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mind getting tested as a visa requirement but I think it's time Koreans and other Asians such as the Japanese were subjected to the same tests and fingerprinting etc that they impose on foreigners.
Much of these measures are to do with xenophobia - the Koreans and Japanese have sex industries that exist in a hypocritical zone of 'illegality' that is nodded and winked at by the authorities and law enforcement. The lack of open dialogue on just how it is usual for workers in a company to go on sex trips in a group whether that is in Asia or to the brothel down the road (er sorry, 'barber' shop) or for men to still lose their virginity to or frequent prostitutes as a norm has undoubtedly resulted in a significant number of HIV infections in straight men.
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You don't think it's the same around the world?
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A Philippine Adventure Tour costs $1,645, including round trip airfare, hotel accommodations and guided tours to the bars where men purchase sex from prostitutes for as little as US $24. Tour owner and operator Allan Gaynor promises that customers "never sleep alone on this tour" and recommends that the customer have sex with a different girl every day "two if you can handle it." (Demonstrators at Los Angeles International Airport Target Sex Tour to the Philippines," 18 April 1998)
Men from Australia and Great Britain are primary suspects as perpetrators of child prostitution in the Philippines. Two of the three-pedophilia cases recently decided by Philippine courts involved British nationals, although there are reportedly more Australian suspects. (Philippines News Agency, 2 September 1997)
Whether or not by choice, men on sex tours inevitably buy underage girls. (New South Wales legislator Meredith Burgmann, "Aussie sex tours still flourishing," Associated Press, 1 October 1997)
13,000 Australians, second in number to Americans, a year visit Angeles City, a center of prostitution surrounding the former Clark U.S. Air Force base in the Philippines. (Cecilia Hofmann, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women - Asia Pacific, "Aussie sex tours still flourishing," Associated Press, 1 October 1997) |
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/philippi.htm
Plenty of Westerners including Brits, Americans and Australians seem to visit the Philippines on a yearly basis for this kind of thing.
And Ontario (the largest and wealthiest province in Canada) is legalizing brothels.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/26/world/americas/canada-ontario-legalizes-brothels/index.html |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
You don't think it's the same around the world?
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A Philippine Adventure Tour costs $1,645, including round trip airfare, hotel accommodations and guided tours to the bars where men purchase sex from prostitutes for as little as US $24. Tour owner and operator Allan Gaynor promises that customers "never sleep alone on this tour" and recommends that the customer have sex with a different girl every day "two if you can handle it." (Demonstrators at Los Angeles International Airport Target Sex Tour to the Philippines," 18 April 1998)
Men from Australia and Great Britain are primary suspects as perpetrators of child prostitution in the Philippines. Two of the three-pedophilia cases recently decided by Philippine courts involved British nationals, although there are reportedly more Australian suspects. (Philippines News Agency, 2 September 1997)
Whether or not by choice, men on sex tours inevitably buy underage girls. (New South Wales legislator Meredith Burgmann, "Aussie sex tours still flourishing," Associated Press, 1 October 1997)
13,000 Australians, second in number to Americans, a year visit Angeles City, a center of prostitution surrounding the former Clark U.S. Air Force base in the Philippines. (Cecilia Hofmann, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women - Asia Pacific, "Aussie sex tours still flourishing," Associated Press, 1 October 1997) |
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/philippi.htm
Plenty of Westerners including Brits, Americans and Australians seem to visit the Philippines on a yearly basis for this kind of thing.
And Ontario (the largest and wealthiest province in Canada) is legalizing brothels. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/26/world/americas/canada-ontario-legalizes-brothels/index.html |
Very interesting to see how you confuse (deliberately or just ignorantly) sex tourism and crimes against children with what is normal in a society regarding how young men lose their virginity and their sexual habits in their daily life and society in their own countries.
YOU are the person quoting sources (around 14 to 15 years old) of such behaviour, I mentioned what is normal for Korean men in their lives as Koreans in Korea. Get the difference? Looks like you don't as you want to compensate for harsh reality observations of Korean male norms by bashing Brits and Austraians.
Btw I am a Brit who has lived in Australia and I can tell you that what is normal for an Aussie male of the average majority ethnic groups (Anglo-European background) is to lose his virginity in high schoo/universityl with a girl of around the same age. Same as me - growing up in London, the lads I knew who lost their virginity with prostitutes were the ones from racial/ethnic backgrounds where women are expected to be virgins until marriage and the *beep*-good woman dichotomy still reigns. Brit women don't save themselves for marriage and they're accessible sexually in ways ethnic minority women are not. That's not to say all blokes of the majority background don't lose their virginity with/go to prostitutes but most of them do not as sexual relationships among teenagers are accepted in our culture, Australia's, NZ's, Europe's etc etc.
Going to the local 'barber shop' and brothel is normal for many Korean men. The notion that it is just part of life to do this and go out with your company members to do it then go home to your wife is still normal in Korea.
It is institutionalised in Korea and some other Asian countries. While younger generations are more free in their behaviour there still exists the stigma of females being openly sexually active if they are mainstream teenagers and women. It's not difficult to see and understand why cultures that have been barely influenced by feminism of the kind that is usual in western cultures and stresses women's sexual freedom from double standards, have a brothel on every corner and a 'barber shop' on every corner like Korea does.
As for Vancouver - yes that is an incredibly multicultural city with many Asians. The sex industry and the human trafficking problems can be read about and when you do your research you will find the sex industry has increased since the greater number of Asians for example. Go to a city like Melbourne in Australia or even better a city like Adelaide in Australia and the sex industry is far discreeter. You can be walking past brothels and you'll never know because most of the men don't lose their virginity there and don't slip off there during break time for a quickie then go home to their wives. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Look at who twisted this thread and note them. Please stay on topic for crying out loud. The FACT is E-2 Visa Holders are looking at TRIPLE DRUG and HIV/AIDS checks.
The Ministry of Education checks of F - Visa holders(they only get checked once and for the 1st time ever) mean that E-2's now face 3 checks.
If you work at a hagwon and have started working in S. Korea on an E-2 visa in recent months, well, you got = drug, HIV/AIDS blood tested by the Korea Immigration Service(KIS), that's a given = 1st check.
NOW, you're likely being asked to do it AGAIN for the Ministry of Education(MOE) = 2nd check.
Because...as I understand they were told by the Ministry of Justice(MOJ) to check F-Visa holders - I know this doesn't make much sense but hang with me - Of course the MOE doesn't want to check F-4 visa holders since they are ethnic Korean and haven't EVER done so until now.
F-Visa holders only amount to about 10-15% of all hagwon English teachers, so the task seemed doable. But, for whatever reason the MOE decided to check ALL hagwon English teachers that total about 15.5 thousand in all, of which about 14 thousand E-2 visa holders have ALREADY been checked by KIS upon hire. THUS, the discrimination and TRIPLE CHECKS thoughout approx. 14 thousand E-2 native English teachers.
If you continue working in S. Korea and sign another contract 12-13 months later for a NEW employer, you WILL be tested AGAIN for drugs/HIV/AID by the Korean Immigration Service(KIS) = THE THIRD, TRIPLE TIME Check.
Double drug, HIV/AIDS checks were bad enough but now it's TRIPLE for E-2's.
Again, please stay on topic!
I wonder what S. Korean people would think if a Korean baseball player ends up playing for the LA Dodgers this year who now has or is about to have an HIV positive person as an owner(Magic Johnson)? I think Korean people should think twice about attending LA Dodger games because you know, they might catch a disease through you know, whatever? Good thing Park Chun-ho isn't playing for the Dodgers anymore aye? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
You don't think it's the same around the world?
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A Philippine Adventure Tour costs $1,645, including round trip airfare, hotel accommodations and guided tours to the bars where men purchase sex from prostitutes for as little as US $24. Tour owner and operator Allan Gaynor promises that customers "never sleep alone on this tour" and recommends that the customer have sex with a different girl every day "two if you can handle it." (Demonstrators at Los Angeles International Airport Target Sex Tour to the Philippines," 18 April 1998)
Men from Australia and Great Britain are primary suspects as perpetrators of child prostitution in the Philippines. Two of the three-pedophilia cases recently decided by Philippine courts involved British nationals, although there are reportedly more Australian suspects. (Philippines News Agency, 2 September 1997)
Whether or not by choice, men on sex tours inevitably buy underage girls. (New South Wales legislator Meredith Burgmann, "Aussie sex tours still flourishing," Associated Press, 1 October 1997)
13,000 Australians, second in number to Americans, a year visit Angeles City, a center of prostitution surrounding the former Clark U.S. Air Force base in the Philippines. (Cecilia Hofmann, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women - Asia Pacific, "Aussie sex tours still flourishing," Associated Press, 1 October 1997) |
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/philippi.htm
Plenty of Westerners including Brits, Americans and Australians seem to visit the Philippines on a yearly basis for this kind of thing.
And Ontario (the largest and wealthiest province in Canada) is legalizing brothels. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/26/world/americas/canada-ontario-legalizes-brothels/index.html |
I mentioned what is normal for Korean men in their lives as Koreans in Korea. Get the difference? Looks like you don't as you want to compensate for harsh reality observations of Korean male norms by bashing Brits and Austraians.
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You don't have a clue what is normal for Korean men in their lives. Are you a sociologist who has spent years doing an in-depth study? Have you interviewed most Korea men in Korea?
No one is trying to "compensate for harsh reality observations of Korean male norms." I am simply pointing out that you are pulling generalizations out of thin air and making stuff up. No links and no proof...which is your M.O.
Now maybe the Koreans YOU hang around with are into that kind of stuff. If that is the case you should probably consider getting new friends. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Look at who twisted this thread and note them. Please stay on topic for crying out loud. The FACT is E-2 Visa Holders are looking at TRIPLE DRUG and HIV/AIDS checks.
The Ministry of Education checks of F - Visa holders(they only get checked once and for the 1st time ever) mean that E-2's now face 3 checks.
If you work at a hagwon and have started working in S. Korea on an E-2 visa in recent months, well, you got = drug, HIV/AIDS blood tested by the Korea Immigration Service(KIS), that's a given = 1st check.
NOW, you're likely being asked to do it AGAIN for the Ministry of Education(MOE) = 2nd check.
Because...as I understand they were told by the Ministry of Justice(MOJ) to check F-Visa holders - I know this doesn't make much sense but hang with me - Of course the MOE doesn't want to check F-4 visa holders since they are ethnic Korean and haven't EVER done so until now.
F-Visa holders only amount to about 10-15% of all hagwon English teachers, so the task seemed doable. But, for whatever reason the MOE decided to check ALL hagwon English teachers that total about 15.5 thousand in all, of which about 14 thousand E-2 visa holders have ALREADY been checked by KIS upon hire. THUS, the discrimination and TRIPLE CHECKS thoughout approx. 14 thousand E-2 native English teachers.
If you continue working in S. Korea and sign another contract 12-13 months later for a NEW employer, you WILL be tested AGAIN for drugs/HIV/AID by the Korean Immigration Service(KIS) = THE THIRD, TRIPLE TIME Check.
Double drug, HIV/AIDS checks were bad enough but now it's TRIPLE for E-2's.
Again, please stay on topic!
I wonder what S. Korean people would think if a Korean baseball player ends up playing for the LA Dodgers this year who now has or is about to have an HIV positive person as an owner(Magic Johnson)? I think Korean people should think twice about attending LA Dodger games because you know, they might catch a disease through you know, whatever? Good thing Park Chun-ho isn't playing for the Dodgers anymore aye? |
You are tested each time you sign with a different employer..this is nothing new.
So it's not triple it depends on how many times you re-sign. |
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Squire

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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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This should be copied by foreign countries in regards to Koreans. Let's see how they like it.
I'd love to know the (presumably very low) stats on English teachers coming here with HIV |
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Steelrails

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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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This should be copied by foreign countries in regards to Koreans. Let's see how they like it.
I'd love to know the (presumably very low) stats on English teachers coming here with HIV |
I support HIV tests for Koreans going to other countries to work in schools as teachers of the Korean language. |
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rollo
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I support HIV testing. Fantasies about Korean males sex lives have nothing to do with this issue. I support efforts to stem the spread of HIV. |
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