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Koreadays



Joined: 20 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smee18 wrote:
Anyone who thinks the American economy is going to "rebound" is seriously deluded. The country isn't even close to hitting the inevitable "bottom" it is plummeting towards. Not that the rest of the world is in much better shape. Personally, I think the demand for ESL across the globe is going to shrink as gloablised systems collapse and economies/cultures localise.


not in our life time though. eventually the ESL gig will be something of the past.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I've realized about Korea is that not everyone who attends hakwon goes to learn English. Some do it because they're bored, want to meet new people, learn new things, or want to tell people they're going to a hakwon. As long as you are half interesting, there will be a market for foreign teachers.

I have a friend who owns a small hakwon out in the sticks, and he says quite a few of his long-time students aren't really into learning English so much as having something to do. My Korean aunt took English at a culture center class for women and graduated from the highest level yet couldn't speak English to save her life.

What I'm hoping happens is that you can teach other subjects or skills in English in Korea one day.
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smee18



Joined: 24 Mar 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreadays, yeah, you're probably right. It won't disappear any time soon, but will definitely shrink, and no doubt morph into something 'new' in the process, which could be good - a more efficient, professional industry - or bad - corporatised global edutainment (I'm looking at you Disney English).

On the supply and demand issue, the collapsing global economies of the West have definitely flooded the ESL market, though I kinda think that the obscene cost of education in America (and elsewhere, though America is exemplary) might shrink the noob-pool. If the educaiton debt bubble bursts, credit for eager young students will disappear, bye bye degree, bye bye Korea, hello wallmart.

And just so all the Americans out there can know how badly they are being screwed, my M.A. Education in TESOL cost me under $4000AUD, as an Australian citizen studying at an Australian University.

p.s. I don't hate Americans. In fact, I'm married to one, and love her more than anything in this world.

p.s.s. yes, having done a Masters in TESOL means I plan on being in ESL for some time to come.

p.s.s.s we looked into my wife doing the same course I did, but it would cost her $15 000 AUD as an international student. We also looked into some American universities, most were around $20 000 USD.
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tran.huongthu



Joined: 23 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smee18 wrote:
Anyone who thinks the American economy is going to "rebound" is seriously deluded. The country isn't even close to hitting the inevitable "bottom" it is plummeting towards. Not that the rest of the world is in much better shape. Personally, I think the demand for ESL across the globe is going to shrink as gloablised systems collapse and economies/cultures localise.


Well said, but you forgot to mention that the demand for war will also start to go up.
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Charlie Bourque



Joined: 27 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tran.huongthu wrote:
smee18 wrote:
Anyone who thinks the American economy is going to "rebound" is seriously deluded. The country isn't even close to hitting the inevitable "bottom" it is plummeting towards. Not that the rest of the world is in much better shape. Personally, I think the demand for ESL across the globe is going to shrink as gloablised systems collapse and economies/cultures localise.


Well said, but you forgot to mention that the demand for war will also start to go up.


I hardly see how a country built on 400+ years of free slave labour is supposed to rebound. If anything, the US economy will continue to spiral downward.
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pegasus64128



Joined: 20 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pfff please, a monkey could do this job, even in the universities. The bare maximum you require to work here would be a CELTA. Anything above that is academic masturbation.


I've heard this kind of sentiment so many times from people who don't have a clue about what they're talking about. Either get properly qualified and then tell people what you learnt was a waste of time and why, or STFU.

I think people should generally refrain from comenting on a qualification if they don't have it. I have a Bsc. and a CELTA. I have no formal BEd.
I'm unsure about what formal Ed. grads think of us. For the CELTA, you have to have at least 7 observed classes passed to a high standard - no online shortcuts - a real practicum. It's a 120 hour intensive course. It takes 3 months to complete part time. I would rate it highly because it's in my interests to. If I had a BEd. I would probably rate that higher, and if I had both I would probably say that you need both to be King. People will just type what suits them. If teaching ESL in Korea requires much more than a relevant or partially relevant qualification, then that's surely a sign that either A) English learning is on the decline, to be slowly overtaken by Spanish or Chinese OR
B) The world is becoming less globalized OR
C) Less students are being offered the opportunity to learn English than before.

Personally, I think it's some combination of A) and C)
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or D) The industry is evolving and moving into another developmental phase where specific needs are being identified (better qualified foreign teachers) as local educators pick up the slack in English Ed (slowly but surely).
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