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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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Oh please. Do you really think those TSA people are getting off on your naked image? Do you think that pat down guy is saving his latex gloves and building a collection out of them in his apartment?
I agree that they are little more than an excuse to unload techno-junk on the government and make a buck. I also think they are not the "affront to dignity" everyone is making it out to be.
This is all because everyone in America is so prudish.
If walking through the scanner stops the 1 in a million chance of the underwear bomber striking whatever. I have greater concerns. This is such a small issue on the scale of things to get upset about. |
you are aware that these images have been saved and distributed already on the internet? You are aware that you are losing your rights?
Once you accept this, future generations have to accept it as the norm. It's also clear that the TSA plans to expand their operation to trains, schools, everywhere. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Oh please. Do you really think those TSA people are getting off on your naked image? Do you think that pat down guy is saving his latex gloves and building a collection out of them in his apartment?
I agree that they are little more than an excuse to unload techno-junk on the government and make a buck. I also think they are not the "affront to dignity" everyone is making it out to be.
This is all because everyone in America is so prudish.
If walking through the scanner stops the 1 in a million chance of the underwear bomber striking whatever. I have greater concerns. This is such a small issue on the scale of things to get upset about. |
Oh please yourself. It's "prudish" to not want some minimum wage rent-a-cop scum grabbing your mother or wife's breasts, and sticking his hands down your 4 year old daughter's pants? Who are you to say some of them aren't getting off on it?
They can scan your child with dangerous levels of radiation and save the naked images (breaking child porn laws) and that's "nothing to get upset" about?? How pathetic of you to think so. |
So that makes your physician a pedophile?
And are those guys scum? Dude, please. They're people doing a job. If its okay for you to call those guys scum then its okay for Koreans to call ESL teacher scum and that they are getting off on working with children.
Seriously, for someone making a big deal about privacy and rights you sure just threw out some bombs against those employees.
As for them not getting off on it the fact that they do it for 8 hours straight without a raging hard-on or a wet stain on the front of their pants suggests that. Use common sense. not your "they're all scum" ravings.
You only get touched if you refuse the scan.
It's called getting patted down. It happens. It's been great in stopping people from bringing knives and guns into the club. I don't think the bouncer was getting off on it and even if he was I don't care. I wanted to go to the club and not worry about getting knifed in some Viet vs. Korean juvenile bruhaha. What's next? Moaning about group showers in the Army and jail? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/22/news/economy/tsa_screener/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
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"The work life here is horrible," said McCoy, president of his local union representing officers. Turnover is like a "revolving door" and health benefits are "atrocious," he said. Morale is low and so is the pay, he added.
Officers typically start at $29,000, but that's only if they're working full-time. New officers often start as part-time workers, said McCoy, at about $14 per hour. He said that part-timers, who make up 37% of the screener workforce at O'Hare, typically have to work four-hour days for at least three years before they're considered for full-time. |
The same kids that are bagging your groceries are the ones working part time groping all day and night. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Oh please. Do you really think those TSA people are getting off on your naked image? Do you think that pat down guy is saving his latex gloves and building a collection out of them in his apartment?
I agree that they are little more than an excuse to unload techno-junk on the government and make a buck. I also think they are not the "affront to dignity" everyone is making it out to be.
This is all because everyone in America is so prudish.
If walking through the scanner stops the 1 in a million chance of the underwear bomber striking whatever. I have greater concerns. This is such a small issue on the scale of things to get upset about. |
Oh please yourself. It's "prudish" to not want some minimum wage rent-a-cop scum grabbing your mother or wife's breasts, and sticking his hands down your 4 year old daughter's pants? Who are you to say some of them aren't getting off on it?
They can scan your child with dangerous levels of radiation and save the naked images (breaking child porn laws) and that's "nothing to get upset" about?? How pathetic of you to think so. |
So that makes your physician a pedophile? |
Do you not understand the concept of "voluntary"?
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And are those guys scum? Dude, please. They're people doing a job. If its okay for you to call those guys scum then its okay for Koreans to call ESL teacher scum and that they are getting off on working with children.
Seriously, for someone making a big deal about privacy and rights you sure just threw out some bombs against those employees. |
Anybody willing to pat down children without probable cause, treating them like terrorists, and/or record images of their genitals does not deserve any admiration whatsoever (certainly no comparison to be made with English teachers here). Period.
Some of them are probably just going through the motions, but others are no doubt petty, power-tripping thugs for hire, or even pedophiles (ie. scum).
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| As for them not getting off on it the fact that they do it for 8 hours straight without a raging hard-on or a wet stain on the front of their pants suggests that. Use common sense. not your "they're all scum" ravings. |
The one showing a lack of common sense here is you. If I were a pedophile (which I'm not) and wanted to look at nude children (and even stick my hands down their pants), I'd probably try and get an airport job with the TSA. Seriously, it's just common sense.
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| You only get touched if you refuse the scan. |
Both are a blatant violation of our constitutional rights.
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| It's called getting patted down. It happens. It's been great in stopping people from bringing knives and guns into the club. I don't think the bouncer was getting off on it and even if he was I don't care. I wanted to go to the club and not worry about getting knifed in some Viet vs. Korean juvenile bruhaha. What's next? Moaning about group showers in the Army and jail? |
Irrelevant example. Night clubs are private establishments with their own private security. No government involvement. Also, when's the last time you brought your kids or your grandma to a night club? |
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Isehtis
Joined: 07 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sensing a whiff of paranoia here... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Anybody willing to pat down children without probable cause, treating them like terrorists, and/or record images of their genitals does not deserve any admiration whatsoever (certainly no comparison to be made with English teachers here). Period. |
First off, from what I understand, the official policy is that children are not to be searched, at least those under 16. This is also only if they refuse the body scan image.
And have you actually looked at a body scan image? We're not exactly talking a centerfold picture here.
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| Anybody willing to pat down children without probable cause, treating them like terrorists, and/or record images of their genitals does not deserve any admiration whatsoever (certainly no comparison to be made with English teachers here). Period. |
Anybody willing to come over and teach kids hung over, while holding their culture in contempt and viewing them as nothing more than little annoying rugrats deserves no admiration whatsoever.
Go join the AES. You are just the same.
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| Some of them are probably just going through the motions, but others are no doubt petty, power-tripping thugs for hire, or even pedophiles (ie. scum). |
Some of them are probably just going through the motions, but others are no doubt petty, drug-addled drunks for hire, or even pedophiles (ie. scum)
Go join the AES. You are just the same.
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| The one showing a lack of common sense here is you. If I were a pedophile (which I'm not) and wanted to look at nude children (and even stick my hands down their pants), I'd probably try and get an airport job with the TSA. Seriously, it's just common sense. |
Or teach English in Korea. Seriously, go join the AES.
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| Do you not understand the concept of "voluntary"? |
You voluntarily chose to get on the plane. You could take a car, train, camel, boat, etc. and accept the consequences of choosing an alternate mode of travel.
What's next? Saying I was forced to get on the Titanic?
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| Both are a blatant violation of our constitutional rights. |
Not when you have the option to not get on and submit to the search.
It's the same as a Breathalyzer or drunk driving checkpoints. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't submit to the scan, because I travel a lot and the excess scanning could be dangerous in the long term. I know that we're surrounded by radiation, but I'd like to try and prevent as much concentrated stuff as possible.
As for the pat down, I'm going to moan and gasp with pleasure loudly and embarrass the F out of them.
As for little kids? It's horrible to submit them to scans (danger factor again), but pat downs could be made far gentler, with mommy or daddy holding their hands, and going through the same thing at the same time to show solidarity. They should make videos to explain to the little ones what and why they do it. Puppets, toys, and all that stuff should be available to make it easier. This is a tricky situation, and the TSA really does need to work on making it non-traumatizing.
Still, no touching my future kids' junk! |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| Anybody willing to pat down children without probable cause, treating them like terrorists, and/or record images of their genitals does not deserve any admiration whatsoever (certainly no comparison to be made with English teachers here). Period. |
First off, from what I understand, the official policy is that children are not to be searched, at least those under 16. This is also only if they refuse the body scan image. |
Yeah, you don't understand. You just spout out a whole lot of ignorance when you could have taken just 2 minutes to check:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6pJ7nP1yA&feature=related
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| And have you actually looked at a body scan image? We're not exactly talking a centerfold picture here. |
Wow, more apologetics for child porn. So just because it's not a "centerfold", means it's okay for clearly visible images of your child's genitals to be taken and recorded? If you're actually okay with this, then you've got serious issues, man.
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| Anybody willing to pat down children without probable cause, treating them like terrorists, and/or record images of their genitals does not deserve any admiration whatsoever (certainly no comparison to be made with English teachers here). Period. |
Anybody willing to come over and teach kids hung over, while holding their culture in contempt and viewing them as nothing more than little annoying rugrats deserves no admiration whatsoever.
Go join the AES. You are just the same.
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| Some of them are probably just going through the motions, but others are no doubt petty, power-tripping thugs for hire, or even pedophiles (ie. scum). |
Some of them are probably just going through the motions, but others are no doubt petty, drug-addled drunks for hire, or even pedophiles (ie. scum)
Go join the AES. You are just the same.
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| The one showing a lack of common sense here is you. If I were a pedophile (which I'm not) and wanted to look at nude children (and even stick my hands down their pants), I'd probably try and get an airport job with the TSA. Seriously, it's just common sense. |
Or teach English in Korea. Seriously, go join the AES. |
Actually I haven't been an English teacher in years, so your attempts at rubbing me the wrong way (no pun intended) are a waste of time.
And obviously your comparison is completely absurd anyway. Teachers aren't supposed to grope children (or anyone else for that matter) or take pictures of their genitals. This point is so obvious, it's not worth addressing further.
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| Do you not understand the concept of "voluntary"? |
You voluntarily chose to get on the plane. You could take a car, train, camel, boat, etc. and accept the consequences of choosing an alternate mode of travel.
What's next? Saying I was forced to get on the Titanic? |
I have every right to board an airplane without the government patting me down with hired goons. Where in the constitution does the government have the right search people en mass without probable cause?
If the airliners themselves were using their own security, then it would be a whole other matter (since it's private property, and since they probably wouldn't dream of doing what the government is doing, for fear of being boycotted). In fact, the airliners are all against what is going on. The government has NO business doing any of this.
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| Both are a blatant violation of our constitutional rights. |
Not when you have the option to not get on and submit to the search.
It's the same as a Breathalyzer or drunk driving checkpoints. |
No. It's still a blatant violation of our constitutional rights. If you don't understand how, then you should go do some basic research before continuing this debate.
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visitorq
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails:
You compared the TSA groping and searches to breathalyzers for drivers. Do you realize that drivers do not have to take the breathalyzer tests if they choose not to? |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Compared to the airport scans, An x-ray or a CT scan would be of thosands or 10s of thousands of times higher dose radiation....
A medical expert would never assure anything to be 100% safe. plus anyone who are seriously conserned about their health should avoid taking airplanes often, even without any security scan-----because of the radiation you get while flying in the air ( one flight can give you the amount of radiation that equal to 1 to >10 x-ray exams, which would be thousands of times of a security scan.
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails:
You compared the TSA groping and searches to breathalyzers for drivers. Do you realize that drivers do not have to take the breathalyzer tests if they choose not to? |
dude, he compared TSA groping to a doctor examining a patient's body. This guy is a joke. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails:
You compared the TSA groping and searches to breathalyzers for drivers. Do you realize that drivers do not have to take the breathalyzer tests if they choose not to? |
dude, he compared TSA groping to a doctor examining a patient's body. This guy is a joke. |
Yes. I believe they are a valid comparison. I believe that both people conducting such scans are so desensitized to nudity that they aren't titillated, they are just looking for something that draws a red flag.
And no it isn't groping. Please.
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| Yeah, you don't understand. You just spout out a whole lot of ignorance when you could have taken just 2 minutes to check: |
So is that an exception or a rule?
It is an exception. It is in its initial phases. Now I have to ask you- is this an isolated incident or is it standard procedures.
If it is standard procedure please show me the link that reports it.
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| Teachers aren't supposed to grope children (or anyone else for that matter) or take pictures of their genitals. This point is so obvious, it's not worth addressing further. |
Are the TSA people groping or examining? Are they taking pictures of their genitals or taking complete body shots?
Believe it or not, some of us know the difference between groping and padding down. We also know the difference between a full body shot and a genital shot.
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| I have every right to board an airplane without the government patting me down with hired goons. |
Really? Cite the law please.
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| Where in the constitution does the government have the right search people en mass without probable cause? |
It has been ruled via Supreme Court rulings. The same rulings that lets you go out and have an abortion. You want to uphold Roe v. Wade? Fine, then you also have to allow these searches.
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| The government has NO business doing any of this. |
Really? Why?
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| No. It's still a blatant violation of our constitutional rights. |
Really? Why?
Please cite some case law.
Look, you have my vote of it being stupid in terms of cost-benefit analysis. What you don't have is my vote saying that the Constitution forbids this or that the TSA personnel are a bunch of groping goons.
Sorry, but if you are trying to claim that they are all a bunch of perverts who can't be trusted and you are NETs railing against the AES....
Is there no shame left? Seriously. It's wrong for the AES to characterize us as pedophiles, but its okay for us to portray TSA people as pedophiles and goons?
Have you no decency? At long last?
I'll listen to you the second you drop this whole "TSA people are pedophiles and goons" rhetoric.
For shame. For shame. How dare you all drench them in such a name. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: |
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http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573
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A 47 year old gay man was arrested at San Francisco International Airport after ejaculating while being patted down by a male TSA agent. Percy Cummings, an interior designer from San Francisco, is being held without bail after the alleged incident, charged with sexually assaulting a Federal agent.
According to Cummings� partner, Sergio Armani, Cummings has �multiple piercings on his manhood� which were detected during a full body scan. As a result, Cummings was pulled aside for a pat-down. Armani stated that the unidentified TSA agent spent �an inordinate amount of time groping� Cummings, who had apparently become sexually aroused. Cummings, who has a history of sexual dysfunction, ejaculated while the TSA agent�s hand was feeling the piercings. The TSA agent, according to several witnesses, promptly called for back up. Cummings was thrown to the ground and handcuffed.
A TSA spokesperson declined to comment on this specific case, but said that anyone ejaculating during a pat-down would be subject to arrest. |
lol i know this aint real but funny |
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blackjack
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails:
You compared the TSA groping and searches to breathalyzers for drivers. Do you realize that drivers do not have to take the breathalyzer tests if they choose not to? |
Off topic but Don't know about the states but if you refuse the breathalysers in NZ you have to give a bloodtest |
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