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morrisonhotel
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Run for the hills! consoleman is going to contact the Blue House. The word I'd like to use to describe that particular poster would get me banned here. A fiver says all those posters live in their parent's basement. |
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Ramen
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a little boy probably 5 or 6 year old called me "ggam-doong-ee" this morning.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to throw this out:Racism is one of the more overblown sins out there.
It's bad if its economic or legal. But if some random person doesn't like group X, then whatever. As long as he complies with the law, he doesn't have to love everyone.
Frankly I find deceit worse than racism, along with a bunch of other things.
It's just the whole "racism is the worst evil in the world" thing has been drilled into us by the media and the public schools. Probably also to distract us from the truly evil corporate-political stuff. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Il. But if some random person doesn't like group X, then whatever. As long as he complies with the law, he doesn't have to love everyone.
Frankly I find deceit worse than racism, along with a bunch of other things.
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Exactly. How many times have we seen people on these forums blasting Koreans and Koreans in terms that have at times been as bad as what any Koreans have called them? Yet when the shoe is on the other foot...ohh racism..wah!!!!!!!!! |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I'm going to throw this out:Racism is one of the more overblown sins out there.
It's bad if its economic or legal. But if some random person doesn't like group X, then whatever. |
Easy to say if you haven't been on the recieving end. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'm going to throw this out:Racism is one of the more overblown sins out there.
It's bad if its economic or legal. But if some random person doesn't like group X, then whatever. |
Easy to say if you haven't been on the recieving end. |
Right, because I never experienced any racism back home. That stuff doesn't happen back home. 
But yeah, easy to say to someone if that person is experiencing racism for the first time in their life after 20+ years and then going to Korea.
And btw I have experienced racism here from both Koreans and NETs.
Dude, you've been on this site, haven't you read some of the posts on here and what people say about Koreans? or blacks? Between that and seemingly believing that "there's no racism back home" as implied in your post, maybe you should open your eyes.
But guess what? None of it was that terrible. None if it has caused as much trouble as nearly anything else. I can argue over it on Dave's but it doesn't really effect me. I don't DO anything about it. If all I do is argue about it over the net, then that puts it at the level of something like Sports or politics where I argue over the net on that.
You do realize that racism is just how a jerk expresses themself in simple terms right? If they didn't treat you like crap over race, they'd treat you like crap over something else.
Besides, I also take the good with the bad. I can't complain if the cops assume I'm a law-abiding citizen because I look like "some nerdy Asian" and let me off the hook. I can't complain if in sausage fest jujitsu class the but girls chooses me as her grappling partner because "He's Asian, he must be good at it".
There's times and places to get up in arms over it. Just as there are with the other sins of the world. But racism (the common-garden variety, not say, genocide) is not the worst sin of the world. Think economic exploitation. Think deceit. Think environmental atrocities.
But we all know in life that we can't fight every sin. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'm going to throw this out:Racism is one of the more overblown sins out there.
It's bad if its economic or legal. But if some random person doesn't like group X, then whatever. |
Easy to say if you haven't been on the recieving end. |
exactly, people call me a "nigga" in korean all the time, but i just laugh it off. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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I've sometimes been the first to rant about it. Someone previously said the media switched from bashing army guys to english teachers in 2002. Through most of the 2000's, there was a lot of hostility towards us. Most women were afraid to go near us. Those that did were either bad girls or trying to keep it low profile. I came here in the late 2000's and this was the way things seemed, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. I do remember going to Seoul, flying Korean air, etc and coming across women who spoke English. They all had that distance and coldness. Once on a Korean air flight, the flight attendants were quite cold. The one who did talk to me like I was a person was Thai. But alas, the head ajumma flight attendant whispered something in her ear and I never saw her again on the flight. I did date this girl my first year. Some Korean people eventually found out and started hassling her. They asked her why she was with a foriegner and repeatedly told her foriegners were bad. I didn't know it at the time. There was also a lot of c^&*blocking. Read some of these blogs from 3 or 4 years ago to get a feel for how things were.
There seemed to be a change in the air maybe around 2009 and 2010. After this time, I flew Korean air and the flight attendants were very friendly and outgoing. I went to info desks in Seoul and the women working there were no longer cold and distant. They were quite outgoing, asking me where I lived, and other more direct questions. Women on the streets of Seoul (Gangnam area) being quite direct. It is my opinion that there has been some kind of a quiet revolution. Koreans in many places don't seem to bat an eyelash over mixed dating. (Though the odd racist ajossi might still try to start something later at night.) Seems to have really started around 2009 and 2010. Before that 2007 and 2008, many Koreans seemed to almost want us to be outcasts or lepers not to be associated with too closely. We were to be used to help with English but otherwise to be avoided.
Don't know if some of you other long termers have noticed the same thing or not. But it seems the racism, which even I've ranted against before, is on the decrease. (I'm sure I'll still get p%^ed when it does happen though.) |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I've sometimes been the first to rant about it. Someone previously said the media switched from bashing army guys to english teachers in 2002. Through most of the 2000's, there was a lot of hostility towards us. Most women were afraid to go near us. Those that did were either bad girls or trying to keep it low profile. I came here in the late 2000's and this was the way things seemed, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. ) |
I came here in 2001 and this was not the way things seemed at all. I had both women and men approach me on the street and try to strike up a conversation hundreds of times. Usually accompanied by a lot of giggling (yes by both genders).
And this has been pretty much my experience throughout the 2000's. Act friendly and approachable and people will approach you. Yes you will get the odd racist. Ignore and keep on walking. Just like anywhere else most people are okay with you despite the wild hysterics on Dave's which would have you believe all Koreans are out to get you. |
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definitely maybe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I've sometimes been the first to rant about it. Someone previously said the media switched from bashing army guys to english teachers in 2002. Through most of the 2000's, there was a lot of hostility towards us. Most women were afraid to go near us. Those that did were either bad girls or trying to keep it low profile. I came here in the late 2000's and this was the way things seemed, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. I do remember going to Seoul, flying Korean air, etc and coming across women who spoke English. They all had that distance and coldness. Once on a Korean air flight, the flight attendants were quite cold. The one who did talk to me like I was a person was Thai. But alas, the head ajumma flight attendant whispered something in her ear and I never saw her again on the flight. I did date this girl my first year. Some Korean people eventually found out and started hassling her. They asked her why she was with a foriegner and repeatedly told her foriegners were bad. I didn't know it at the time. There was also a lot of c^&*blocking. Read some of these blogs from 3 or 4 years ago to get a feel for how things were.
There seemed to be a change in the air maybe around 2009 and 2010. After this time, I flew Korean air and the flight attendants were very friendly and outgoing. I went to info desks in Seoul and the women working there were no longer cold and distant. They were quite outgoing, asking me where I lived, and other more direct questions. Women on the streets of Seoul (Gangnam area) being quite direct. It is my opinion that there has been some kind of a quiet revolution. Koreans in many places don't seem to bat an eyelash over mixed dating. (Though the odd racist ajossi might still try to start something later at night.) Seems to have really started around 2009 and 2010. Before that 2007 and 2008, many Koreans seemed to almost want us to be outcasts or lepers not to be associated with too closely. We were to be used to help with English but otherwise to be avoided.
Don't know if some of you other long termers have noticed the same thing or not. But it seems the racism, which even I've ranted against before, is on the decrease. (I'm sure I'll still get p%^ed when it does happen though.) |
Having lived here for much longer, I can honestly say that the "quiet revolution" you're experiencing is not new, unique, or groundbreaking. Much of what you said seems blown way out of proportion. If anything, foreigners have begun to receive less special attention because there are so many of us now. |
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Malislamusrex
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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I saw an advert for a movie called Undisputed 3 redemption.
I saw the white person kicking ass and he seemed like the main character.
When I watched the movie he was the evil mass murdered who was sent to jail for life for his crimes.
The coloured gent who was the main character who was wrongly sent to jail and was fighting for his life wasn't even in the advert. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
I've sometimes been the first to rant about it. Someone previously said the media switched from bashing army guys to english teachers in 2002. Through most of the 2000's, there was a lot of hostility towards us. Most women were afraid to go near us. Those that did were either bad girls or trying to keep it low profile. I came here in the late 2000's and this was the way things seemed, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. I do remember going to Seoul, flying Korean air, etc and coming across women who spoke English. They all had that distance and coldness. Once on a Korean air flight, the flight attendants were quite cold. The one who did talk to me like I was a person was Thai. But alas, the head ajumma flight attendant whispered something in her ear and I never saw her again on the flight. I did date this girl my first year. Some Korean people eventually found out and started hassling her. They asked her why she was with a foriegner and repeatedly told her foriegners were bad. I didn't know it at the time. There was also a lot of c^&*blocking. Read some of these blogs from 3 or 4 years ago to get a feel for how things were.
There seemed to be a change in the air maybe around 2009 and 2010. After this time, I flew Korean air and the flight attendants were very friendly and outgoing. I went to info desks in Seoul and the women working there were no longer cold and distant. They were quite outgoing, asking me where I lived, and other more direct questions. Women on the streets of Seoul (Gangnam area) being quite direct. It is my opinion that there has been some kind of a quiet revolution. Koreans in many places don't seem to bat an eyelash over mixed dating. (Though the odd racist ajossi might still try to start something later at night.) Seems to have really started around 2009 and 2010. Before that 2007 and 2008, many Koreans seemed to almost want us to be outcasts or lepers not to be associated with too closely. We were to be used to help with English but otherwise to be avoided.
Don't know if some of you other long termers have noticed the same thing or not. But it seems the racism, which even I've ranted against before, is on the decrease. (I'm sure I'll still get p%^ed when it does happen though.) |
Having lived here for much longer, I can honestly say that the "quiet revolution" you're experiencing is not new, unique, or groundbreaking. Much of what you said seems blown way out of proportion. If anything, foreigners have begun to receive less special attention because there are so many of us now. |
Yeah. I've noticed that the Korean naivety towards foreigners that I felt when I arrived here 10 years ago has worn off a bit. I think we used to be seen as quite exotic and rare birds......but now we're just part of the furniture. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| Run for the hills! consoleman is going to contact the Blue House. The word I'd like to use to describe that particular poster would get me banned here. A fiver says all those posters live in their parent's basement. |
Most of them don't even live in Korea; they're kyopos living in other countries. IIRC, consoleman is in Aus. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| definitely maybe wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
I've sometimes been the first to rant about it. Someone previously said the media switched from bashing army guys to english teachers in 2002. Through most of the 2000's, there was a lot of hostility towards us. Most women were afraid to go near us. Those that did were either bad girls or trying to keep it low profile. I came here in the late 2000's and this was the way things seemed, though I didn't fully realize it at the time. I do remember going to Seoul, flying Korean air, etc and coming across women who spoke English. They all had that distance and coldness. Once on a Korean air flight, the flight attendants were quite cold. The one who did talk to me like I was a person was Thai. But alas, the head ajumma flight attendant whispered something in her ear and I never saw her again on the flight. I did date this girl my first year. Some Korean people eventually found out and started hassling her. They asked her why she was with a foriegner and repeatedly told her foriegners were bad. I didn't know it at the time. There was also a lot of c^&*blocking. Read some of these blogs from 3 or 4 years ago to get a feel for how things were.
There seemed to be a change in the air maybe around 2009 and 2010. After this time, I flew Korean air and the flight attendants were very friendly and outgoing. I went to info desks in Seoul and the women working there were no longer cold and distant. They were quite outgoing, asking me where I lived, and other more direct questions. Women on the streets of Seoul (Gangnam area) being quite direct. It is my opinion that there has been some kind of a quiet revolution. Koreans in many places don't seem to bat an eyelash over mixed dating. (Though the odd racist ajossi might still try to start something later at night.) Seems to have really started around 2009 and 2010. Before that 2007 and 2008, many Koreans seemed to almost want us to be outcasts or lepers not to be associated with too closely. We were to be used to help with English but otherwise to be avoided.
Don't know if some of you other long termers have noticed the same thing or not. But it seems the racism, which even I've ranted against before, is on the decrease. (I'm sure I'll still get p%^ed when it does happen though.) |
Having lived here for much longer, I can honestly say that the "quiet revolution" you're experiencing is not new, unique, or groundbreaking. Much of what you said seems blown way out of proportion. If anything, foreigners have begun to receive less special attention because there are so many of us now. |
Yeah. I've noticed that the Korean naivety towards foreigners that I felt when I arrived here 10 years ago has worn off a bit. I think we used to be seen as quite exotic and rare birds......but now we're just part of the furniture. |
I say that's better because total dorks or losers were getting attention back then. At least Koreans can see them for what they are instead of just going gaga because they are weigookin. |
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