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What Was Teaching Here in the 90's Like?
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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Korea Herald article published in 2000 about some things a Nigerian man experienced here in the 90s:

"The ideology which holds one race superior over the other is a common phenomenon here in Korea. But deep-rooted in everybody's mind is a common question, 'Why can't we live together?' As a foreigner, my first impression of Koreans was of a people who share so many things in common - looks and dress, for instance - and would rather be left alone in their own world, if that was possible.

A lot of foreigners told me about their experience in Korea.

Bob (not his real name) came to Korea with a six-month working visa in the summer of 1997. During his first week in Korea, he decided to go to a swimming pool in Seoul. He got there after several inquiries. There were a lot of people there, some swimming and some about to swim. He changed into his swimming suit and dived into the water. When he emerged, there was nobody left in the pool. All the people in the pool were getting out.

A few days later, he decided to see a little of Korea. He went to the subway station with his camera. When he got inside the train and took a seat, the four people already seated got up and held the overhead rail. He got off and took a bus to the next city. In the bus, he sat down beside a Korean man who was sitting by the window. Immediately, the Korean man brought out a handkerchief from his breast pocket and held it over his nose.

Once he went to an interview for a job he knew he wouldn't get, although his resume was outstanding. But he decided to give it a shot anyway. A teacher in the institution told him that the students' parents wouldn't like their children to be taught by a black man in school. He didn't get the job, but ended up teaching some ambassadors' children a few hours a day.

He met a Korean girl in a coffee shop in Seoul. When she saw his passport, she said she was surprised but also disappointed to discover he wasn't American. He told her that he thought she knew he was Nigerian. She picked up her handbag and left.

After many months in Korea, he again met a Korean girl who decided to marry him but her family opposed it outright. They told the girl to break up with him. When she wouldn't, they coaxed her with money and support and even threatened to disown her.

She turned them down and went to Nigeria with Bob. They got married and had a baby. When they came back to Korea, the girl's family and folks said they would forgive and accept the girl but will never touch or have anything to do with the baby.

Koreans should learn to accept people the way they are and stop classifying people. Because discrimination hurts the body, soul and pride of someone, Koreans should wake up and check the time. We are living in the 21st century."
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weso1 wrote:
I'm interested in this too. Oh, to have a time machine...

I have a bit of a 90's fetish. I just remember it being a cool era. It's like the whole world was on the verge of a big change - affordable consumer electronics really have changed everything. The early-mid 90's were the last years of the "old way" I guess. The "pen and paper" years I call them.

I've seen Korean movies and youtube videos from that time too. Something about the women are really attractive as well. The heavy dark colored eye shadow and lipstick that was the trend, the just shorter than shoulder length "Friends" style hair, the earth tone clothes and the jet black stockings they wore with everything. I wonder if I can get a Korean girl to a bit of role playing for me, haha.

These stupid hipsters and their craze for everything from the 70s and 80s make me want to slap each of them. But the 90s, now there was a decade.

Grunge rock, a decent Star Trek series, Clinton - oh how I pine for the days when America's biggest problem was figuring out if the President getting a bj was an impeachable offense.

Everyone thought CDs were the wave of the future, but we still watched movies on VHS, good times. Saved by the Bell, now there's a show Koreans need to run non stop on OCN instead of that CSI garbage.


Hrm. Rose colored glasses.

I remember during the 90s people were always talking about how it was the first decade that didn't really have a strong identity like the 60s, 70s or 80s did and how the generation currently coming of age (X) was going to be the first in a very long time to have a harder time of it than their parents...

That and CDs were around in the 80s (and actually invented in the late 70s.)
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say Koreans were more into karaoke back in the 1990s. You don't really have as many hitting the mic anymore.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone can dispute that Korea has progressed socially from the 'old days' going by the stories on this thread.

Koreans I talk to have a dichotomy. They desperately want Korea to be even greater econmically and take its place amongst the elite nations. Have the same status Japan did in the '80s and '90s. However, many have a deep fear they will lose their culture if they do. They basically want their cake and eat it too.

Many outside of Seoul see that city as the one place where it can be different and where it can be like many 'global' cities like Tokyo, London, etc, that is diverse and worldly in all things. However, they don't want much of the rest of the country to change its culture.

As far as our experience here, it all depends on a variety of factors. Your personality, your previous experience traveling abroad, where you live in Korea, your willingness to learn the language and become involved amongst other things. You can have two people work in the same school, live in the same building and have two totally different opinions on Korea. Its not for everyone. That's obvious.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
Many outside of Seoul see that city as the one place where it can be different and where it can be like many 'global' cities like Tokyo, London, etc, that is diverse and worldly in all things. However, they don't want much of the rest of the country to change its culture.


Having never lived anywhere in Korea but Seoul, I'm curious as to how the culture of Seoul is different from other places in Korea?
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minos



Joined: 01 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
sirius black wrote:
Many outside of Seoul see that city as the one place where it can be different and where it can be like many 'global' cities like Tokyo, London, etc, that is diverse and worldly in all things. However, they don't want much of the rest of the country to change its culture.


Having never lived anywhere in Korea but Seoul, I'm curious as to how the culture of Seoul is different from other places in Korea?


Countryside:
Similar, but slower. Service sucks and depending on where, people are much less nicer and more rude(curse in korean, speak banmal more).

It's generally much more ghetto but the same. Alot more old people.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gimpo was the International airport. There was still a curfew. Millitary was still in control. Lots less intolerance of foreigners , I remember signing autographs at a middle school for the teachers. Almost no foreign alcoholic beverages. Hakwon bosses were the same stinkers they have not changed. Of course no labor board or public school jobs. It was more foreign less westernized, in some ways more fun.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghostrider wrote:
A Korea Herald article published in 2000 about some things a Nigerian man experienced here in the 90s:

"The ideology which holds one race superior over the other is a common phenomenon here in Korea. But deep-rooted in everybody's mind is a common question, 'Why can't we live together?' As a foreigner, my first impression of Koreans was of a people who share so many things in common - looks and dress, for instance - and would rather be left alone in their own world, if that was possible.

A lot of foreigners told me about their experience in Korea.

Bob (not his real name) came to Korea with a six-month working visa in the summer of 1997. During his first week in Korea, he decided to go to a swimming pool in Seoul. He got there after several inquiries. There were a lot of people there, some swimming and some about to swim. He changed into his swimming suit and dived into the water. When he emerged, there was nobody left in the pool. All the people in the pool were getting out.

A few days later, he decided to see a little of Korea. He went to the subway station with his camera. When he got inside the train and took a seat, the four people already seated got up and held the overhead rail. He got off and took a bus to the next city. In the bus, he sat down beside a Korean man who was sitting by the window. Immediately, the Korean man brought out a handkerchief from his breast pocket and held it over his nose.

Once he went to an interview for a job he knew he wouldn't get, although his resume was outstanding. But he decided to give it a shot anyway. A teacher in the institution told him that the students' parents wouldn't like their children to be taught by a black man in school. He didn't get the job, but ended up teaching some ambassadors' children a few hours a day.

He met a Korean girl in a coffee shop in Seoul. When she saw his passport, she said she was surprised but also disappointed to discover he wasn't American. He told her that he thought she knew he was Nigerian. She picked up her handbag and left.

After many months in Korea, he again met a Korean girl who decided to marry him but her family opposed it outright. They told the girl to break up with him. When she wouldn't, they coaxed her with money and support and even threatened to disown her.

She turned them down and went to Nigeria with Bob. They got married and had a baby. When they came back to Korea, the girl's family and folks said they would forgive and accept the girl but will never touch or have anything to do with the baby.

Koreans should learn to accept people the way they are and stop classifying people. Because discrimination hurts the body, soul and pride of someone, Koreans should wake up and check the time. We are living in the 21st century."


Before you start pointing the racism finger at Korea, consider that many a family outside of Korea, especially in the West, would be taken aback if the daughter all of a sudden brings home a guy from Africa and says "We're engaged." Let's not hold Korea to standards that people in the West might not even meet.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Before you start pointing the racism finger at Korea, consider that many a family outside of Korea, especially in the West, would be taken aback if the daughter all of a sudden brings home a guy from Africa and says "We're engaged." Let's not hold Korea to standards that people in the West might not even meet.

I got a great story, I know a German-Brazilian that married a white girl in Canada. The guy was like a 4 generation Brazilian, but all German blood, if you saw him you'd think he is joking when he says he's Brazilian.

Anyways, before they got married the girl phoned home to Saskatchewan (a pretty rural province in Canada) telling her parents she was engaged to a Brazilian guy. They flipped and demanded she come back home. So she went back home with the Brazilian guy in tow. After they saw the guy, and probably because he wasn't dark skinned, approved of the marriage.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
Gimpo was the International airport. There was still a curfew. Millitary was still in control. Lots less intolerance of foreigners , I remember signing autographs at a middle school for the teachers. Almost no foreign alcoholic beverages. Hakwon bosses were the same stinkers they have not changed. Of course no labor board or public school jobs. It was more foreign less westernized, in some ways more fun.


In the mid-1990s, most posts on this board were about how teachers got ripped off by their hakwon directors. I'm sure that still goes on but Korea has gotten a LOT better on that front.
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Mikejelai



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the bars had to close around 11-12 at night, but we could then go to secret shops/bars (usually hidden upstairs somewhere) that would stay open (breaking the law, breaking the law!)
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikejelai wrote:
All the bars had to close around 11-12 at night, but we could then go to secret shops/bars (usually hidden upstairs somewhere) that would stay open (breaking the law, breaking the law!)


Those bars would jack up prices after midnight but stopped that after MANY bars got in on the illegal operating scene. I remember SKA in Hongdae was one of the more famous bars to open after midnight.
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did the bars open late ever get busted or raided?
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
Did the bars open late ever get busted or raided?


It did happen along with the irregular raid in bars popular with foreigners during regular open hours.
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tardisrider



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread brings back so many memories. I was in Korea from 95 to 2009, and the amount of change I saw in that time was incredible.

I recall the bars closing early, and there were many places with a "back door". I never thought of it as a "curfew" as much as just "that's what time the bars have to close"--it's not like you couldn't be outside or anything.

Question for those with a better memory than mine: I recall when all "legal" bars used to close at midnightish, but I can't remember--was the enforced closing time just for bars or was it for everything? I can't remember if the local convenience stores and such were open 24hours back then.
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