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TheUrbanMyth
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
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But merely out of curiosity I took a look at the link you posted, and had a laugh. In spite of having the fastest declining working hours for the past decade, South Korea still has the longest working hours of any OECD nation. And that's your idea of a source that disproves our observations about Korea being a workaholic culture? T] |
I'm not sure what link you are talking about but I am and have been talking about the OECD link
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/38/37/47573221.pdf
And no, you didn't look at the OECD link. Because it states no such thing.
First off it states that JAPAN'S hours are higher.
Secondly it says Korea has the second highest number of paid hours. However it lists Korea as 348 minutes of paid time and 136 minutes of unpaid time. Adding that together=484 minutes.
Now let's look at the OECD average. They have 277 minutes of paid time and 207 minutes of unpaid time. Add those together and you get 484 minutes. Exactly the same as Korea.
And your link is based on an OECD report from 2008 (nearly 3 years ago).
Mine is from 2011 (THIS YEAR).
Which means mine is more uo to date and thus more credible.
But thanks for playing. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Oh, sorry. No, that's not what I was looking at. This is what I was looking at (data from this month):
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
"Average annual hours actually worked per worker". It's from the OECD and indicates that South Korea had the highest average annual working hours in 2010. OECD average 1749, United States 1778, South Korea 2193.
Now your link would appear to be at odds with this. I am happy to leave that for others to make sense of; I can not be bothered to put more time into this. I'll just point out that half your link is written in Korean and the other half is a bullet-pointed "Did you know?" section written as if it were a public-relations Powerpoint presentation.
Sorry, but this is as far as I'm going to go. I've gone this far only out of idle curiosity and to spite your pedantic condescension, but there will be no more statistical research on national working habits for me and I don't care what sort of posts follow, either. Anyone who is in denial that workaholism is a salient aspect of modern Korea is a person who has problems for which I can be of no help. I have learned only one thing of interest and that is that you are a robot for the Korean national-branding PR machine. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
Oh, sorry. No, that's not what I was looking at. This is what I was looking at (data from this month):
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
"Average annual hours actually worked per worker". It's from the OECD and indicates that South Korea had the highest average annual working hours in 2010. OECD average 1749, United States 1778, South Korea 2193.
Now your link would appear to be at odds with this. I am happy to leave that for others to make sense of; I can not be bothered to put more time into this. I'll just point out that half your link is written in Korean and the other half is a bullet-pointed "Did you know?" section written as if it were a public-relations Powerpoint presentation.
Sorry, but this is as far as I'm going to go. I've gone this far only out of idle curiosity and to spite your pedantic condescension, but there will be no more statistical research on national working habits for me and I don't care what sort of posts follow, either. Anyone who is in denial that workaholism is a salient aspect of modern Korea is a person who has problems for which I can be of no help. I have learned only one thing of interest and that is that you are a robot for the Korean national-branding PR machine. |
Too bad you didn't actually bother reading your link
If you'd clicked on the little red "i" next to the topic heading of "Average hours actually worked per worker" you would have read this.
"The data are intended for comparisons of trends over time: they are unsuitable for comparisons of the level of average hours of work for a given year, because of differences in their sources. Part-time workers are covered as well as full-time workers"
Yeah, probably best that you stop now. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Very well, but (and only because it was right there on the side and required practically no effort for me to find, at all) :
Average annual hours actually worked at main job http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
Turkey at #1, Korea at #2.....
At the top you can select "job type: full employment" if you want. No change in Korea's ranking.
*shrug*
Never thought it would go this far, but a -------- like you can have that effect. It must have been this insufferable combination of your smug satisfaction in being pedantic with your obscene self-abnegation in this defensive pride on behalf of your host country. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
Very well, but (and only because it was right there on the side and required practically no effort for me to find, at all) :
Average annual hours actually worked at main job http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
Turkey at #1, Korea at #2.....
At the top you can select "job type: full employment" if you want. No change in Korea's ranking.
*shrug*
Never thought it would go this far, but a -------- like you can have that effect. It must have been this insufferable combination of your smug satisfaction in being pedantic with your obscene self-abnegation in this defensive pride on behalf of your host country. |
Seriously what are you going on about? Bad day or what?
I see dependent employment and total employment. I also see links that include both FT and PT. I don't see where it shows just FT (if that is what you mean by full employment.)
And anyway that is the exact same link which I have already pointed out (as the link itself says) that this data can not be used for comparison purposes.
And BTW calling people names (whether you type ------ or the actual name) is against the TOS. It's also a sign of losing the argument.
And in addition there's no need for that since I thought we were having a little friendly debate.
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, never mind about the personal stuff. Fwiw, you have to actually click on "Average usual weekly hours worked on the main job" on the left side. The link won't open directly to that page http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
| Ok, never mind about the personal stuff. Fwiw, you have to actually click on "Average usual weekly hours worked on the main job" on the left side. The link won't open directly to that page http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS. |
Okay I checked that out.
The link gives four types of employment: Dependent employment, self-employed, total employment, and unknown. (I'm mentioning this so you can see that I actually read it).
There is no data for dependent, self-employed or unknown for Korea.
So we are back to total employment (which would include both full and part time jobs). Which the link specifically notes can not be used for comparison purposes.
But never mind that for now.
The figure your link gives has Korea at 45.9 hours a week from 2010 .
Assuming that this figure is correct and taking into account that many Koreans work six days a week that is still only ONE extra hour per day than the 40 hour workweek we have in many of our own countries. I really don't think an extra hour a day qualifies as workaholic but whatever.
And again, my OECD link is from 2011 (this year) while the 45.9 hours per week is from 2010 (last year). Given that the trend shows a gradual decline in working hours each year, it's entirely possible that this 45.9 hours last year has lessened as well...which the link I posted above supports. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Okay I checked that out.
The link gives four types of employment: Dependent employment, self-employed, total employment, and unknown. (I'm mentioning this so you can see that I actually read it).
There is no data for dependent, self-employed or unknown for Korea.
So we are back to total employment (which would include both full and part time jobs). Which the link specifically notes can not be used for comparison purposes.
But never mind that for now.
The figure your link gives has Korea at 45.9 hours a week from 2010 .
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No, you clicked the wrong tab heading. Go one down, it's under the tab heading labelled JOB TYPE. Click that and select "Full-time employment". Then you'll see Korea is at 49.2 hours per week; 2nd highest on the chart. 49.2 hours for only full-time jobs is a high number considering that we're talking about averages: For comparison, the UK is at 42.6 hours/week (no info for US or Japan, for those who care).
The number has declined very little over the past few years, either, so making a point about this chart being one-year old isn't going to do much good. Koreans are neck-and-neck with developing Mexico, but after that the number suddenly plunges all the way down to 44.6 with Chile, and of course those nice West European countries at the bottom with the averages of 38 etc.
The bottom line is Korean workers are the second longest-working workers in the (OECD) world, "interpret" the number however ya like. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Lee Myung-bak's leadership raised the food price, electricity bills, and the mortgage for all people who are living in Korea (foreigners or Koreans). Of course, Korea's quality of life stagnates according to this kind of perspective. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| Lee Myung-bak's leadership raised the food price, electricity bills, and the mortgage for all people who are living in Korea (foreigners or Koreans). Of course, Korea's quality of life stagnates according to this kind of perspective. |
His leadership?
His?
It's got nothing to do with global economic forces or anything, it's all about LMB?
Seriously? |
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NohopeSeriously
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
His leadership?
His?
It's got nothing to do with global economic forces or anything, it's all about LMB?
Seriously? |
That's what a lot of newspapers (non-Chojoongdong) are saying these days. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
His leadership?
His?
It's got nothing to do with global economic forces or anything, it's all about LMB?
Seriously? |
That's what a lot of newspapers (non-Chojoongdong) are saying these days. |
Well, good to see that the Hanky has its lackeys.
Perhaps their English version actually gets read by someone. Surprise, surprise. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well, good to see that the Hanky has its lackeys.
Perhaps their English version actually gets read by someone. Surprise, surprise. |
Yup. I'm a proud Hani reader. I'm also a Daum News viewer; like 65% of educated Koreans between the age 20 and 35.
Death to Chojoongdong! |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Okay I checked that out.
The link gives four types of employment: Dependent employment, self-employed, total employment, and unknown. (I'm mentioning this so you can see that I actually read it).
There is no data for dependent, self-employed or unknown for Korea.
So we are back to total employment (which would include both full and part time jobs). Which the link specifically notes can not be used for comparison purposes.
But never mind that for now.
The figure your link gives has Korea at 45.9 hours a week from 2010 .
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No, you clicked the wrong tab heading. Go one down, it's under the tab heading labelled JOB TYPE. Click that and select "Full-time employment". Then you'll see Korea is at 49.2 hours per week; 2nd highest on the chart. 49.2 hours for only full-time jobs is a high number considering that we're talking about averages: For comparison, the UK is at 42.6 hours/week (no info for US or Japan, for those who care).
The number has declined very little over the past few years, either, so making a point about this chart being one-year old isn't going to do much good. Koreans are neck-and-neck with developing Mexico, but after that the number suddenly plunges all the way down to 44.6 with Chile, and of course those nice West European countries at the bottom with the averages of 38 etc.
The bottom line is Korean workers are the second longest-working workers in the (OECD) world, "interpret" the number however ya like. |
But that's only PAID work and only for full-time employment.
According to the OECD 2011 link they do the least unpaid work. And when you add the unpaid work and work hours together they equate to the average OECD country. |
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