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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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So, which martial arts are considered the best? I know Muay Thai and MMA are getting pretty popular back home. But not available outside of Seoul. So, I was opting for Hapkido here locally. Think it might be more effective than Judo or Tai Kwon Do, but I'm no expert on the matter. I'd prob try to upgrade later on with some of that other stuff. |
I think Judo wouldn't be so bad. If you can throw some people quickly onto what will most likely be cement, it might give you time to jet out of there.
Like one poster said above, AVOIDING conflict and running is the best policy.
There may not be MMA gyms, but are there boxing gyms around you? I think those should be a bit more prevalent throughout the country. If you're fighting multiple assailants and running isn't an option, I'd say putting your back to a wall, or even better, a corner, and boxing is the safest route. That's what got Bas Rutten and Chuck Liddell through street brawls.
Unfortunately, if they're using weapons and you can't run, you're probably F'ed.
I think if you learn a few basic takedowns, a few basic submissions/holds, and learn to box or kickbox, you should be good for defense on the street. The most important thing, though, is to assess every individual situation. Both users you were quoting have valid points but I feel like they think there's some all-encompassing strategy for self-defense when in reality there are too many possible situations for one to exist. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
Why the heck are people suggesting taking taking weapons or learning boxing or some other style of striking? If a group of 2-3+ people want to f*ck you up, they will. In this case, the #1 self-defence system is running away -- if they can't catch you, they can't hurt you.
Even if you need to stand your ground, you still don't want to slug it out with people. There is something inherently violent - i.e. too aggressive - about striking someone, even if it's in self-defence, in the eyes of the [Korean] law. You're much better off throwing/pinning your attackers, especially if you are in plain sight of bystanders.
Take these two scenarios:
a) You get into an argument with someone in plain view of bystanders. No one can really tell who is right or wrong, but they can see that things are going to escalate soon. Your "attacker" tries to grab you and/or take a swing at you. You react by shattering his jaw, then tell people you were attacked and reacted in self-defence.
b) Same as above, only this time you throw them off you and/or pin them. You keep them pinned while asking bystanders to break up the fight, never hurting the attacker, only restraining him. If no one helps, slowly put them to sleep, then walk away.
Now, which scenario is more likely to get you into trouble? The one where you shatter some drunk's jaw, or the one where you restrain them? I've been teaching self-defence for years, and I stand firmly behind the position that grappling is [legally] a better alternative to striking. Whether you knock someone out or you choke them out, the end result is the same - they are unconscious. |
There are many flaws in what you say, and allow me to point them out
Any grappler or person who studies and teaches (YEAH i have taught different martial arts) knows that you DONT grapple with someone who has a weapon. you DONT know how flexible someone is NOR if they have a weapon in their pocket, and there is NO hold or technique that cant be reversed in some direction or way.
The same with running, we are NOT all long distance runners and if they already surround you, then where are you gonna go? and also you DONT know if they have some friends around you or backing them up, you grapple or try to put them to sleep and then u get hit from the side or back, then where are you?
HURT or DEAD. thats where.
An eye rake blinds the opponent without destroying their vision permanently. a knee shot will NOT kill someone. If you have to break their fingers or wrist then so be it, a broken wrist or fingers will prevent them from getting a weapon aimed at you. If try to put them in a sleeper hold or gulliotine which cuts oxygen off to the brain they could possbly have brain damage from that EVEN if they were trying to attack you.
I question your teachings seriously. This isnt the land of fair fighting, grappling MAY work in a one on one fight but that RARELY (as in 5% of the time or less) happens. |
So, which martial arts are considered the best? I know Muay Thai and MMA are getting pretty popular back home. But not available outside of Seoul. So, I was opting for Hapkido here locally. Think it might be more effective than Judo or Tai Kwon Do, but I'm no expert on the matter. I'd prob try to upgrade later on with some of that other stuff. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
Why the heck are people suggesting taking taking weapons or learning boxing or some other style of striking? If a group of 2-3+ people want to f*ck you up, they will. In this case, the #1 self-defence system is running away -- if they can't catch you, they can't hurt you.
Even if you need to stand your ground, you still don't want to slug it out with people. There is something inherently violent - i.e. too aggressive - about striking someone, even if it's in self-defence, in the eyes of the [Korean] law. You're much better off throwing/pinning your attackers, especially if you are in plain sight of bystanders.
Take these two scenarios:
a) You get into an argument with someone in plain view of bystanders. No one can really tell who is right or wrong, but they can see that things are going to escalate soon. Your "attacker" tries to grab you and/or take a swing at you. You react by shattering his jaw, then tell people you were attacked and reacted in self-defence.
b) Same as above, only this time you throw them off you and/or pin them. You keep them pinned while asking bystanders to break up the fight, never hurting the attacker, only restraining him. If no one helps, slowly put them to sleep, then walk away.
Now, which scenario is more likely to get you into trouble? The one where you shatter some drunk's jaw, or the one where you restrain them? I've been teaching self-defence for years, and I stand firmly behind the position that grappling is [legally] a better alternative to striking. Whether you knock someone out or you choke them out, the end result is the same - they are unconscious. |
There are many flaws in what you say, and allow me to point them out
Any grappler or person who studies and teaches (YEAH i have taught different martial arts) knows that you DONT grapple with someone who has a weapon. you DONT know how flexible someone is NOR if they have a weapon in their pocket, and there is NO hold or technique that cant be reversed in some direction or way.
The same with running, we are NOT all long distance runners and if they already surround you, then where are you gonna go? and also you DONT know if they have some friends around you or backing them up, you grapple or try to put them to sleep and then u get hit from the side or back, then where are you?
HURT or DEAD. thats where.
An eye rake blinds the opponent without destroying their vision permanently. a knee shot will NOT kill someone. If you have to break their fingers or wrist then so be it, a broken wrist or fingers will prevent them from getting a weapon aimed at you. If try to put them in a sleeper hold or gulliotine which cuts oxygen off to the brain they could possbly have brain damage from that EVEN if they were trying to attack you.
I question your teachings seriously. This isnt the land of fair fighting, grappling MAY work in a one on one fight but that RARELY (as in 5% of the time or less) happens. |
So, which martial arts are considered the best? I know Muay Thai and MMA are getting pretty popular back home. But not available outside of Seoul. So, I was opting for Hapkido here locally. Think it might be more effective than Judo or Tai Kwon Do, but I'm no expert on the matter. I'd prob try to upgrade later on with some of that other stuff. |
To be honest every style has advantages and disadvantages HOWEVER TKD is better as an exercise or as a 1st martial art then moving onto others. Hapkido/aikido and styles that can disarm someone are definitely good as self defense, boxing isnt too bad either, but ive always used my feet and if you are like that, kickboxing isnt too bad either. MMA is good in some aspects but it has flaws as well. I did like BJJ but i only did it for 6 months. Muay thai i did as well but its a mixed bag, although you train your elbows and knees so it might do you well. I also like JKD but watch out cuz chucky barlique on here apparently doenst agree with it lol |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I think if you learn a few basic takedowns, a few basic submissions/holds, and learn to box or kickbox, you should be good for defense on the street. The most important thing, though, is to assess every individual situation. Both users you were quoting have valid points but I feel like they think there's some all-encompassing strategy for self-defense when in reality there are too many possible situations for one to exist. |
Just to add a recommendation. Unless you are surrounded it is best to avoid corners or walls. You should keep moving and try your best to avoid being held. If you look at boxers they are constantly moving.
The best move you can do is to run away though. 
Screaming for help is an idea too.
Don't be a hero, or a wannabe hard man. If someone is angry or acting provocatively then apologise and get out of there asap. Fighting should always be your last resort. It's sad there are so many posters, who are probably teachers, who think fighting is cool. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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There's a quote which I think goes like this "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog".
Which (apart from it's original meaning) can also be taken to mean there's no one martial art or arts that is/are best...it's what YOU can do with them.
So no martial art is going to make you tougher.
And yes, the best defense is not being there. And I agree with the last poster's last sentence. Don't go looking for trouble and you will usually avoid it. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Which city are you in out of curiosity? I ask because there are plenty of cities outside of Seoul that have MMA gyms. Of course Daejeon, Daegu Busan, Seoul, Gwangju, Ulsan have them...but I know of people who study MMA in even smaller cities like Yeosu. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmmm, if Yeosu has MMA, I'll ask around for mine. But, I still want to do some Hapkido before going on to soemthing else. May try some boxing in the future too than. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes trouble will find you. You hope it doesn't but it's better to be prepared in case you can't run away. I prefer to mostly use my upper body as I don't think my lower will be really flexible with kicking too much. Maybe I think I should do Hapkido and then soem boxing after. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Hmmm, if Yeosu has MMA, I'll ask around for mine. But, I still want to do some Hapkido before going on to soemthing else. May try some boxing in the future too than. |
Only stuff in hapkido that would be useful if you were attacked would be some of the more direct foot to mid level kicks, knees, throat strickes and elbows (some hapkido dojangs wont even teach these.)
The rest - wrist grabs, holds etc will take years to master to a level that would be effective in a street brawl. Plus you NEVER spar or throw those kicks agains anything other than thin air in a lot of them. You want to find somewhere where you can use bags and do some strength training. Most people can't punch or kick hard enough to stop someone even though they might know the form correctly anyway. So you need strenght training too.
Better off just learning kickboxing / thai boxing where you do more trianing on the direct useful moves and get to spar and do strenght trainin too. Army style locks and grabs would be good too if you could find a place to learn them. I think the US military only get a few weeks of said training, but it's the essentials, bouncers learn it too. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Hmmm, if Yeosu has MMA, I'll ask around for mine. But, I still want to do some Hapkido before going on to soemthing else. May try some boxing in the future too than. |
Only stuff in hapkido that would be useful if you were attacked would be some of the more direct foot to mid level kicks, knees, throat strickes and elbows (some hapkido dojangs wont even teach these.)
The rest - wrist grabs, holds etc will take years to master to a level that would be effective in a street brawl. Plus you NEVER spar or throw those kicks agains anything other than thin air in a lot of them. You want to find somewhere where you can use bags and do some strength training. Most people can't punch or kick hard enough to stop someone even though they might know the form correctly anyway. So you need strenght training too.
Better off just learning kickboxing / thai boxing where you do more trianing on the direct useful moves and get to spar and do strenght trainin too. Army style locks and grabs would be good too if you could find a place to learn them. I think the US military only get a few weeks of said training, but it's the essentials, bouncers learn it too. |
US army training is short i mean basic is only 9 weeks AIT varies depending on your MOS but unless you focus on a certain one like 11B which is infantry or something similar you wont learn too much besides normal striking etc. The specialty fields like my dad being special forces was awesome because he said that his group has regular martial artists and demonstrations on a weekly basis to learn tried and true techniques to help disable, main, and sometimes even kill an enemy. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Hmmm, if Yeosu has MMA, I'll ask around for mine. But, I still want to do some Hapkido before going on to soemthing else. May try some boxing in the future too than. |
Only stuff in hapkido that would be useful if you were attacked would be some of the more direct foot to mid level kicks, knees, throat strickes and elbows (some hapkido dojangs wont even teach these.)
The rest - wrist grabs, holds etc will take years to master to a level that would be effective in a street brawl. Plus you NEVER spar or throw those kicks agains anything other than thin air in a lot of them. You want to find somewhere where you can use bags and do some strength training. Most people can't punch or kick hard enough to stop someone even though they might know the form correctly anyway. So you need strenght training too.
Better off just learning kickboxing / thai boxing where you do more trianing on the direct useful moves and get to spar and do strenght trainin too. Army style locks and grabs would be good too if you could find a place to learn them. I think the US military only get a few weeks of said training, but it's the essentials, bouncers learn it too. |
Does MMA involve some of these things? I had heard it involves a lot of Ju jitsu and muay thai? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Does MMA involve some of these things? I had heard it involves a lot of Ju jitsu and muay thai? |
MMA is a mix of martial arts (obviously) so what you bring to MMA is really what you decide works for you. But Brazilian Jiujitsu(a ground fighting style), wrestling/judo(a takedown art), and Muay Thai/boxing(striking art) are the styles that are the most ubiquitous to MMA. Most gyms will have you learn a mix of these styles, although karate and sambo have proved to be useful in MMA as well. Also, most gyms will tend to focus on the grappling aspect. MMA is a fine sport to learn that will teach you to become a better fighter (if it's a good gym). If you're looking for pure self-defense techniques, you might do better in a judo or BJJ school. Not all judo and BJJ gyms are the same as some may focus more on competiton and some on self-defense. More serious gyms will tend to focus on competition.
The problem with hapkido is that while they drill self-defense techniques, they rarely spar. It's difficult to pull off a technique on a live opponent if you never practiced it on a live opponent. In my opinion unless you have your mind set on hapkido, and don't mind just getting a good workout (and not really learn any practical fighting techniques) stay away from it. I'm sure there are good gyms with good trainers, but you'll have better luck finding good judo or boxing gyms than good hapkido gyms.
Boxing is also a good art to learn. Boxing is first and foremost a sport, so it isn't as self-defense oriented but it is a fighting art. When you get down to it, boxing is about two guys beating eachother with their fists and it will get you better at using your fists and avoid getting hit by fists. I don't think I need to explain why boxing will help with self-defense. It is an amazingly addicting sport that has a strange destructive beauty to it. I may be biased since I'm a boxer but people I know who commit to it, freaking love it. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Hmmm, if Yeosu has MMA, I'll ask around for mine. But, I still want to do some Hapkido before going on to soemthing else. May try some boxing in the future too than. |
If you were choosing between MMA or boxing though, I'd go with boxing. MMA gyms tend to be more expensive, and legit MMA gyms are rarer than legit boxing gyms. If your only goal is self-defense and not for the love of the sport, I'd say go for the cheapest, yet effective, route.
If you're open to it, I highly recommend judo. It is the cheapest martial art you can train in Korea yet train seriously. Judo gym memberships tend to be cheaper than other styles. For example, I paid 50,000won/month for a judo gym that let me train 5 times a week. A bjj gym I used to go to was 100,000/month for 3 times a week. My boxing gym is 100,000/month for 6 times a week. And you only need to buy a gi (some gyms let you borrow theirs), but with boxing and MMA, you need to buy gloves, wraps, mouthpiece, and sometimes headgear and shoes. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:40 am Post subject: |
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In 2005,
I was actually looking for a fight in Korea and India. I was honestly so bored with travel and sight seeing that i took nightly strolls in Mumbai and Seoul looking for action.
Nothing ever happened other than the usual spitting and crossing the street 
Why are you guys so lucky to pick up the insecure Koreans who attack in masses ??
What am I doing wrong ? |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
In 2005,
I was actually looking for a fight in Korea and India. I was honestly so bored with travel and sight seeing that i took nightly strolls in Mumbai and Seoul looking for action.
Nothing ever happened other than the usual spitting and crossing the street
Why are you guys so lucky to pick up the insecure Koreans who attack in masses ??
What am I doing wrong ? |
They probably take pity on you  
Note use of emoticons to denote that I'm kidding. |
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