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crescent
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| Apple fans are hilarious. Android users use logic and reason for their choices while Apple fans resort to name-calling and attacks. For the record, I've used plenty of Apple products going back to the 80s and the whole closed architecture, being told what to do, and having no choices is what turns me off. Like Eamo said, if Apple offered more choices or even licensed their software to other manufacturers, it would definitely be a step in the right direction. But they would never do that because Apple doesn't want to give you choices, they want to control everything including you. |
Logic? Do even know what logic is? You can't even recall who launched the first personal attack. Instead, you imagine it was an Apple fan because that's part of your matrix. I'm in awe of the way you continue to thrash about, instead of arguing on point. It's very telling.
And, why should Apple offer licensing and sacrifice the solidity of integration that I and other users value so much? I can do everything I need to do. Not once have I been restricted from doing anything.
The very fact that you think, without offering any examples, that Apple TELLS its users what to do, and gives no choices, shows me that you in fact have not used Apple products enough to know anything about it at all first hand.
Humor me with naming the last two Apple devices you have used at length, and what exactly you were restricted from doing. After all these Apple threads you've been stalking, this is the first time we hear of it? Must be true then. |
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Kheldar
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Kheldar wrote: |
| Apple fans are hilarious. Android users use logic and reason for their choices while Apple fans resort to name-calling and attacks. For the record, I've used plenty of Apple products going back to the 80s and the whole closed architecture, being told what to do, and having no choices is what turns me off. Like Eamo said, if Apple offered more choices or even licensed their software to other manufacturers, it would definitely be a step in the right direction. But they would never do that because Apple doesn't want to give you choices, they want to control everything including you. |
Logic? Do even know what logic is?... because I've yet to see you illustrate it on this thread. You can't even recall who launched the first personal attack. Instead, you imagine it was an Apple fan because that's part of your matrix. I'm in awe of the way you continue to thrash about, instead of arguing on point. It's very telling.
And, why should Apple offer licensing and sacrifice the solidity of integration that I and other users value so much? I can do everything I need to do. Not once have I been restricted from doing anything.
The very fact that you think, without offering any examples, that Apple TELLS its users what to do, and gives no choices, shows me that you in fact have not used Apple products enough to know anything about it at all first hand.
Humor me with naming the last two Apple devices you have used at length, and what exactly you were restricted from doing. After all these Apple threads you've been stalking, this is the first time we hear of it? Must be true then. |
If you want to choose a product where one company controls your hardware, software, os, how to think, when to use the bathroom, etc. that's your loss. I would rather choose a product where I can choose between different manufacturers, configurations, hardware, software, and so on. I like widgets. I like a big screen. I like customizing my phone and being able to choose which marketplace to download my apps from. I don't want to be forced to use iTunes. If I don't want to update my os, I don't have to. If I do, I can always revert back. Are you beginning to understand now? It's the choices that matter. But I do understand your frustration. Some people are easily confused and need things to be simplified for them.
As for my own Apple experience, it's pretty limited. I've used older iMacs and G5s at work. I had a 2nd gen iPod 10gb which I got a lot of use out of, but the hard drive eventually crashed. I had an iPhone in 2007. I paid $600 for it and it was fun for a while, but I outgrew it. I still have an iPad 1 which is great for browsing and playing Angry Birds in bed when it's not crashing all the time because of iOS 5. |
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etopkorea
Joined: 20 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| Well kheldar, I guess you should buy a Mac seeing how much you like widgets. (Emoticons never seem to work for me, so insert a big smily face here) |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| Kheldar wrote: |
If you want to choose a product where one company controls your hardware, software, os, how to think, when to use the bathroom, etc. that's your loss. I would rather choose a product where I can choose between different manufacturers, configurations, hardware, software, and so on. I like widgets. I like a big screen. I like customizing my phone and being able to choose which marketplace to download my apps from. I don't want to be forced to use iTunes. If I don't want to update my os, I don't have to. If I do, I can always revert back. Are you beginning to understand now? It's the choices that matter. But I do understand your frustration. Some people are easily confused and need things to be simplified for them.
As for my own Apple experience, it's pretty limited. I've used older iMacs and G5s at work. I had a 2nd gen iPod 10gb which I got a lot of use out of, but the hard drive eventually crashed. I had an iPhone in 2007. I paid $600 for it and it was fun for a while, but I outgrew it. I still have an iPad 1 which is great for browsing and playing Angry Birds in bed when it's not crashing all the time because of iOS 5. |
Oh i get it now, I have to want what YOU want? So, what's important to you is important to everyone? This is your idea of logic? I'm not happy at all with the way my iPhone is designed... this is what you're telling me?
And what's this?... you're telling me I can't customize my phone, and install any app I want from any torrent site or app depository? Wow, thanks for the news. I guess the 50+ Apps I have on my phone right now didn't come from Cydia, Installous, getipa, AppCake, or torrents. You're right, I am confused. Yes, thanks so much for shedding light on this! Wait... and widgets, too! Say it ain't so... i don't have a weather widget, for example???? Hilarious....! I DO know i don't have a calendar widget, or notifications widget, though. I deleted them. I don't even install widgets on my Mac. I don't use them. My choice I guess. ...oh and they're called Cygets by the way.
Don't like itunes? Guess what, Mr. Logic, there are alternatives. Here are just 6 of the most popular....
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-ways-sync-ipod-computer-itunes/
Or you can wirelessly sync with iCloud Match. ... oh right...Booo iTunes.
I guess you're also completely sure that iTunes forces users to update iOS. I'll give you a while to google it again... just maybe go to the next page this time. I'm still running 4.3! And hey, guess what, even if i do make the mistake of hitting the 'download and install' button in iTunes, i CAN revert back. How strange that with all this intensive-yet-limited experience with Apple, you somehow missed all of this info? And you call yourself someone who makes informed choices? You are seriously so without a clue, I'm embarrassed for you.
Lets deal more with your Apple product experience inventory. One or two posts ago, you claimed to have using 'plenty of apple products going back to the 80s'. But, suddenly, in this post it's only 'limited experience'.
And the most hilarious part is, DESPITE your dismay with all the overwhelming restrictions, and the closed architecture back in the 80s, you then bought an iPod...That still was so restrictive that you then got an iPhone. Where was your logic then? Don't answer yet, because here's a bigger question.., DESPITE being "forced' to update your iPhone OS and still being told what to do... why did you buy an iPAD!!!!! Not only that, but you bought an iPad 1. Informed choice? Logic? Dude, you're making this so easy. Even someone like me who you are convinced is a fanboy doesn't own an iPad, and never will. Why? I made a choice. I have no use for it. But, i understand your frustration. No one simplified things for you. You were told what to do.
Yes, yes, tell us more about this logic of yours now. What a joke. Too bad you were 'forced' to update it. LOL! |
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Kheldar
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| You need to relax Crescent. Take a deep breath, go back, and re-read the posts. I used Apple IIs in middle school and the original Macs in high school, but you had asked me about recent products. I never bought the iPod or iPad, just the iPhone. As for as all that other stuff, it sounds way too complicated for the average Apple lover but I guess you're waaaay above average! By the way, why don't you want to upgrade to iOS 5? |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Kheldar wrote: |
| I used Apple IIs in middle school and the original Macs in high school, but you had asked about recently. I never bought the iPod or iPad, just the iPhone. As for as all that other stuff, it sounds way too complicated for the average Apple lover but I guess you're waaaay above average! By the way, why don't you want to upgrade to iOS 5? |
Glad we're clear on the fact having an ipod and experiencing it's negatives didn't hold you back from buying an iphone. Apple has come a long way since the "We're Not Gonna Take It" days, but you wouldn't know anything more than you hear from others, right? No one told you that Macs used in education were actually limited by software installed by the school boards to keep you from anything "too complicated".
Speaking of things complicated.. Jailbreaking is as complicated as installing an app on your computer, and pressing the home and power buttons on the iphone. Finding the apps and cygets is no harder than searching google.
It seems you don't know anything at all about Apple products.. So tell us again why you are stalking all these Apple threads? |
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Kheldar
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Hmm, let's see. It started with you criticizing Android phones and I made a comment about it. What is this "us" business anyways? You and your imaginary friend? And what's the matter, can't figure out how to install iOS 5 on your jailbroken phone? What a rookie... |
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crescent
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Hmm, let's see. You criticized Android phones so I made a comment about it. What's the matter can't figure out how to install iOS 5 on your jailbroken phone? What a rookie... |
I criticized Android?? When? Put the glass down, man.... you're losing it. This imagined critique has had you stalking Apple threads? And you call Apple users fanatics?
Ah, and you wanted to know why I didn't update to iOS 5. Simple. I like things the way they are. I have no use for the update. See, unlike the picture you've painted, I don't really care about the latest from Apple.
You, however seem to care a great deal. The us includes the others reading what you post. By now i bet they're getting as sick of it as I am. |
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Kheldar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| People can't join a discussion between Androids and iPhones on a public forum? Next time, I'll be sure to ask your iPhone posse first. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| People can't join a discussion between Androids and iPhones on a public forum? Next time, I'll be sure to ask your iPhone posse first. |
No need to ask any imaginary posse.... Sure they can! But, who is this "they" you speak of? Can 'they' also admit when 'they' were wrong about imagined Andriod critiques, or about widgets, or about itunes alternatives, or about customization, or about forced updates?
And why is it that when Apple users defend their products, they are braoinwashed, but when Apple haters stalk Apple threads with outdated information, saying how they enjoy mocking Apple users, they are just joining a discussion?
What does your imagination answer? Or maybe ask that logic!
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Kheldar
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Little man's disease. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Little man's disease. |
I hope there's a cure for you. |
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Kheldar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
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| Little man's disease. |
I hope there's a cure for you. |
Good one! But I'm not the defensive one here. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:50 am Post subject: |
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LOL! Defensive, or corrective? I think your problem is that you rely too much on imagination and not enough on logic.
You just said I criticized Android and therefore you 'made a comment' about it. But you post continual fails, and when I rebuke, I am defensive?
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Kheldar wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
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| Little man's disease. |
I hope there's a cure for you. |
Good one! But I'm not the defensive one here. |
No, you're just the one on the anti-Apple attack.
I love Android; nothing wrong with it but ever since I got my first iPod I've just found Apple personal products more user-friendly.
Why do some Android fans like yourself need to show more anti-Apple hate rather than pro-Android comments. Is it because we [iPhone users] have already countered with answers to the "Android phones can do this but iPhones can't" argument? |
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