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DIsbell
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Another example of the fine rule that when a white person does something like dismember and rape a bunch of 6 year olds, or climb the bell tower and start sniping, or start some riot over 22 people chasing a ball, they're just a nut and treated as an individual.
Someone Asian or Middle-Eastern or Black does something and its a reflection on their culture, not them as an individual. |
Sorry man, need to call you out a little bit on this. Within the broad, generic White America culture, cultural causes are often looked at when discussing brutal crimes. Remember Columbine? Marilyn Manson, Doom, etc. In some cases military culture and PTSD is brought up, when relevant. The media also frequently points out gang culture, lack of parenting, mental problems, and so on. I think it's pretty off the mark to say that whenever a white Joe Schmoe commits an atrocity the media and society just collectively shrugs its shoulders and says, "Oh, just a bad apple."
Hell, look at the Trayvon Martin case. People are talking about lingering racism, local police corruption, gun culture, political affiliations, etc. No one is just saying Zimmerman is simply a bad apple.
Additionally, one thing I have to say I'm pretty proud of among these tragedies related to Korean immigrants is that in spite of it all, there's been zero discussion of restrictions or new rules for immigration. Korean culture and Korean communities in the US might have their fair share of problems, as every culture and community does, but on a whole Koreans and Korean immigrants make a positive impact in America. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Another example of the fine rule that when a white person does something like dismember and rape a bunch of 6 year olds, or climb the bell tower and start sniping, or start some riot over 22 people chasing a ball, they're just a nut and treated as an individual.
Someone Asian or Middle-Eastern or Black does something and its a reflection on their culture, not them as an individual. |
Sorry man, need to call you out a little bit on this. Within the broad, generic White America culture, cultural causes are often looked at when discussing brutal crimes. Remember Columbine? Marilyn Manson, Doom, etc. In some cases military culture and PTSD is brought up, when relevant. The media also frequently points out gang culture, lack of parenting, mental problems, and so on. I think it's pretty off the mark to say that whenever a white Joe Schmoe commits an atrocity the media and society just collectively shrugs its shoulders and says, "Oh, just a bad apple."
Hell, look at the Trayvon Martin case. People are talking about lingering racism, local police corruption, gun culture, political affiliations, etc. No one is just saying Zimmerman is simply a bad apple.
Additionally, one thing I have to say I'm pretty proud of among these tragedies related to Korean immigrants is that in spite of it all, there's been zero discussion of restrictions or new rules for immigration. Korean culture and Korean communities in the US might have their fair share of problems, as every culture and community does, but on a whole Koreans and Korean immigrants make a positive impact in America. |
Well I agree in part, take the Gabby Giffords shooting awhile back and people were blaming a "Tea Party Culture of Hate" and the like, but there wasn't a national/racial component to it. |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| "Tea Party" is basically a euphemism for poorly-educated conservative white people. You could almost say it's as much of a code word as "urban youth." |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| DIsbell wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Another example of the fine rule that when a white person does something like dismember and rape a bunch of 6 year olds, or climb the bell tower and start sniping, or start some riot over 22 people chasing a ball, they're just a nut and treated as an individual.
Someone Asian or Middle-Eastern or Black does something and its a reflection on their culture, not them as an individual. |
Sorry man, need to call you out a little bit on this. Within the broad, generic White America culture, cultural causes are often looked at when discussing brutal crimes. Remember Columbine? Marilyn Manson, Doom, etc. In some cases military culture and PTSD is brought up, when relevant. The media also frequently points out gang culture, lack of parenting, mental problems, and so on. I think it's pretty off the mark to say that whenever a white Joe Schmoe commits an atrocity the media and society just collectively shrugs its shoulders and says, "Oh, just a bad apple."
Hell, look at the Trayvon Martin case. People are talking about lingering racism, local police corruption, gun culture, political affiliations, etc. No one is just saying Zimmerman is simply a bad apple.
Additionally, one thing I have to say I'm pretty proud of among these tragedies related to Korean immigrants is that in spite of it all, there's been zero discussion of restrictions or new rules for immigration. Korean culture and Korean communities in the US might have their fair share of problems, as every culture and community does, but on a whole Koreans and Korean immigrants make a positive impact in America. |
Well I agree in part, take the Gabby Giffords shooting awhile back and people were blaming a "Tea Party Culture of Hate" and the like, but there wasn't a national/racial component to it. |
I wonder... in cases where the shooter is a 3rd+ generation American - of whichever ethnicity - is race always factored in?
I mean, I seem to recall stories of crimes in canada, and if the person was a recent immigrant, it's mentioned. But if they were born in canada, I don't remember it "always being made such an issue".
Perhaps it's not so much about race/ethnicity, but a perceived "foreign" culture. |
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happiness
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: |
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so, was it mentioned here alot? Was a Koreanized-Korean?
One thing I noticed was under the article on CNN about last week's elections, someone (out of 3 comments) wrote something about not sending Koreas killers to the US. I think it doesnt really matter if hes a kyopo or not, it was something about a Korean-blooded person in a Korean college, and CNN did mention it was a college for Koreans a few times. I think this may have been a big step backwards. Hmmmm. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| happiness wrote: |
so, was it mentioned here alot? Was a Koreanized-Korean?
One thing I noticed was under the article on CNN about last week's elections, someone (out of 3 comments) wrote something about not sending Koreas killers to the US. I think it doesnt really matter if hes a kyopo or not, it was something about a Korean-blooded person in a Korean college, and CNN did mention it was a college for Koreans a few times. I think this may have been a big step backwards. Hmmmm. |
That is was a "college" for Koreans was a pretty big part of the story since the "college' was a place no one had ever heard of and didn't quite seem on the up and up.
As for what someone writes in the comments section, keep in mind right-wing groups actually pay people to post. |
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