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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| std's exist with any sexually active person, prostitute or not. |
Same same? Not really.
Data were available for 14 Asian countries. Whereas HIV prevalence in women aged 15-49 in these countries is 0.18%, for sex workers it is 5.2%, meaning their risk of having HIV is 29 times greater.
http://www.aidsmap.com/Female-sex-workers-have-14-times-the-risk-of-having-HIV-as-other-women/page/2457223/
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| plus you are speaking as an american as par for the course. |
That's right. Americans are incapable of critical thought. Which is why the United States is such a poor country that doesn't invent anything with its universities considered to be the absolute worst on the face of the earth. 'Merica iz teh suxzors!!!!!11
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| risk of arrest? yes, in countries that demonize it. in other countries, like sweden, it's legal and has actually made the occupation as safe as most other professions. |
As safe as most other professions? Doing sketchy guys with sketchy pimps/brothel owners around doesn't sound very safe. Plus one is being exposed to STIs. |
of course std's are more likely from a prostitute, because people with your thinking keep prostitution from becoming a safe occupation. linking a study about std's being more common in asian countries proves nothing and anyone with half a brain knows that hooking up with prostitutes in asia is a dicey proposition.
as well, you obviously need to research sweden's prostitution policy better (or at all) before commenting on it because you seem to know absolutely nothing about it. there are no sketchy pimps and brother owners in their system.
and give it up on the how wealthy america is bit. the only people who care how rich america is is americans. rich does not mean anything more that whoever is extremely wealthy exercised greed and corruption to get there at the expense of the rest of the world and others. in general americans are the least capable of critical wordly thought that i and many others have ever encountered. face reality. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the wheelchair guy can date a wheelchair girl. (How would he get to the third floor or basement of a rundown building anyways; it's not like those places are handicap accessible.) That's much better than spending his limited money on sex with a hooker. |
What if he doesn't want to spend considerable time looking for, dating and moving to intimate relationship with a 'wheelchair girl?' What if he, like most healthy young men at some point in their lives, wants to go out and have a one-night stand? If he pays a prostitute for it because girls in a club won't give him the time of day, should he feel ashamed and be looked down on? And don't worry about accessibility either, let's just assume that said prostitute is able to walk to wherever he wants to do it. Let's also assume that she is independent, not trafficked by some terrible Eastern European gangsters, and is able to freely decide whether or not to take his cash in exchange for sex. Should he feel ashamed and be looked down on by others around him? |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:13 am Post subject: |
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This arguing about prostitutes is kind of much to do about nothing since in Korea most prostitutes under 35 won’t go with a non asian foreigner anyway.
If a Korean hooker is seen with a foreigner it might ruin her reputation. People might think she is easy, they might even think she is a w h o r e. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| in general americans are the least capable of critical wordly thought that i and many others have ever encountered. face reality. |
On August 28th, 1964, Bob Dylan introduced the Beatles to...SEX WORKERS! He took them to a whorehouse.
Actually, no. That's not what happened.
If you want to talk about a civil rights issue, why not protest the illegality of marijuana? (Maybe the wheelchair dude wants to try some.)
Which is more socially acceptable in Korea: visiting prostitutes or using marijuana? (I think we all know the answer to that.)
Which is more socially acceptable in the U.S.? (It's the complete opposite.) |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:29 am Post subject: |
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If a man and a woman want to exchange money for sex, I don't see anything wrong with it. In most cases, it's called "marriage."
Most of us come from countries with large welfare systems and something that somewhat resembles gender rights where it's much easier for women to make ends meet. But in a lot of countries today, and in all countries historically, women haven't had rights and they haven't owned assets. Prostitution has been, and in many cases still is, a way for a lot of women to monetize the only asset they own. At some point, the West won't be able to finance the welfare systems in their current forms, and you'll see prostitution skyrocket, the same way it did in Russia and the Ukraine when the Soviet Union collapsed.
I have no problem with consensual prostitution in Korea. What they do is none of my business. My only wish is that the Koreans would stop pretending that foreign English teachers, "the Jews," or the people over in Japan are the big reason prostitution is so rampant in Korea. Aside from that, I don't really care what goes on. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| you obviously need to research sweden's prostitution policy better (or at all) before commenting on it because you seem to know absolutely nothing about it. |
In just five years Sweden has dramatically reduced the number of its women in prostitution. In the capital city of Stockholm the number of women in street prostitution has been reduced by two thirds, and the number of johns has been reduced by 80%.
http://justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html
In 1999, after years of research and study, Sweden passed legislation that a) criminalizes the buying of sex, and b) decriminalizes the selling of sex. The novel rationale behind this legislation is clearly stated in the government's literature on the law:
"In Sweden prostitution is regarded as an aspect of male violence against women and children. It is officially acknowledged as a form of exploitation of women and children and constitutes a significant social problem... gender equality will remain unattainable so long as men buy, sell and exploit women and children by prostituting them."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Sweden
Official position
The Swedish Government states that the reason behind this legislation is the importance to society of fighting prostitution.
Prostitution is considered to cause serious harm both to individuals and to society as a whole. Large-scale crime, including human trafficking for sexual purposes, assault, procuring and drug-dealing, is also commonly associated with prostitution. (...)The vast majority of those in prostitution also have very difficult social circumstances. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| you obviously need to research sweden's prostitution policy better (or at all) before commenting on it because you seem to know absolutely nothing about it. |
In just five years Sweden has dramatically reduced the number of its women in prostitution. In the capital city of Stockholm the number of women in street prostitution has been reduced by two thirds, and the number of johns has been reduced by 80%.
http://justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html
In 1999, after years of research and study, Sweden passed legislation that a) criminalizes the buying of sex, and b) decriminalizes the selling of sex. The novel rationale behind this legislation is clearly stated in the government's literature on the law:
"In Sweden prostitution is regarded as an aspect of male violence against women and children. It is officially acknowledged as a form of exploitation of women and children and constitutes a significant social problem... gender equality will remain unattainable so long as men buy, sell and exploit women and children by prostituting them."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Sweden
Official position
The Swedish Government states that the reason behind this legislation is the importance to society of fighting prostitution.
Prostitution is considered to cause serious harm both to individuals and to society as a whole. Large-scale crime, including human trafficking for sexual purposes, assault, procuring and drug-dealing, is also commonly associated with prostitution. (...)The vast majority of those in prostitution also have very difficult social circumstances. |
i'm happy to see you took the time to do some homework weird rambler. as i touched upon and as you have now noted, street prostitute and john numbers have went down considerably and safety and women's control over their bodies in their chosen profession has went up. your small mind and the small minds of others like you keeps this from happening in other countries which is an absolute shame.
and of course sweden will state that prostitution is bad. do you actually think that they'd publically state "meh, we're okay with it as long as it's safe". if you think that then you are even crazier than you let on. plus if you think that sweden's government or ANY government for that matter actually speaks the feelings of the people then you need to take a good hard look at your own inept american government because they are a shining example of how a government cares not about the will of their people.
have you even ever been to scandinavia weird rambler? methinks not. "world" traveler... what a farce. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Just a few posts back you wrote this:
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| risk of arrest? yes, in countries that demonize it. in other countries, like sweden, it's legal |
Looks like you're wrong (as usual):
For a long time, Sweden’s official attitude to prostitution has been that it is an unacceptable phenomenon in our society and must be combated. Since 1 January 1999, it has been a crime to buy sexual services in Sweden, and an individual who obtains a casual sexual relation for compensation is sentenced to pay fines or serve a prison term of up to six months for the purchase of sexual services. In contrast to previous measures against prostitution, the criminalization of the purchase of sexual services targets the demand, i.e., the sex buyer or the prospective sex buyer.
http://www.government.se/content/1/c6/15/14/88/0e51eb7f.pdf |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Just a few posts back you wrote this:
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| risk of arrest? yes, in countries that demonize it. in other countries, like sweden, it's legal |
Looks like you're wrong (as usual):
For a long time, Sweden’s official attitude to prostitution has been that it is an unacceptable phenomenon in our society and must be combated. Since 1 January 1999, it has been a crime to buy sexual services in Sweden, and an individual who obtains a casual sexual relation for compensation is sentenced to pay fines or serve a prison term of up to six months for the purchase of sexual services. In contrast to previous measures against prostitution, the criminalization of the purchase of sexual services targets the demand, i.e., the sex buyer or the prospective sex buyer.
http://www.government.se/content/1/c6/15/14/88/0e51eb7f.pdf |
uh no weird rambler. i was speaking the legality of women to sell it. you obviously haven't picked up on this yet so i'll spell it out even more for you, but it's becoming old hat. you're like a bad infection that won't go away.
women's rights should NOT be affected by idiots like yourself who think they know but are truly clueless and this is what this back and forth between you and i has been about.
again, you seem to not have done your research because the selling of sex is very much legal in sweden, however the buying of it is not and this conversation is obviously not about the buying of sex (i could give two $hits if a customer gets arrested or not, but in sweden the woman will not get arrested), but the selling of it and the right that women should have without people like you demonizing them. (see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Sweden). once again YOU are wrong. ever get tired of it?
again weird rambler, this about how women should be able to do what they want with their bodies, in this certain discussion, prostitution. and if people like yourself who aren't even intelligent enough to understand that your position on the matter makes it much worse for women (see: the relevance of legalizing women in selling their bodies if they choose in sweden and how it's CONSIDERABLY lowered the common issues and problems with prostitution that other countries face as YOU have already noted).
also, it was pretty convenient to cut off the rest of my sentence to put it into your own context right? look again at that sentence FULLY.
"yes, in countries that demonize it. in other countries, like sweden, it's legal and has actually made the occupation as safe as most other professions."
the ending that you cut off clearly suggests i was talking about safety in the occupation and not having to worry about getting arrested (as a prostitute). again, i could care less if a customer does or does not get arrested. that's their choice and they need to live with the consequences.
comprehension weird rambler, it's a life saver. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| i was speaking the legality of women to sell it. |
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| joelove wrote: |
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It's not psychologically healthy to be a prostitute or john.
It's not safe either. (STDs, risk of arrest, risk of violence, risk of theft, etc.)
It's better to stay away from brothels.
Spending money for sex with prostitutes is pathetic and sad.
Don't do it. |
Who are you talking to here? Yourself? For a world traveler you have an odd world view. What is disgusting about it? Why is it psychologically unhealthy? Why is it pathetic and sad? Because you say so?
Sorry, man, you are not changing a thing with a post on Dave's. |
it's funny to hear other people tell weird rambler that he has such a narrow mind that betrays his screen name. i said the very same thing myself when he first appeared on these boards.
and wt, the risk of violence and std's exist with any sexually active person, prostitute or not. anytime you get involved with affairs that are of the heart you will raise the risk of emotional issues. plus you are speaking as an american as par for the course. risk of arrest? yes, in countries that demonize it. in other countries, like sweden, it's legal and has actually made the occupation as safe as most other professions. |
OK, just so we're on the same page, buying sex is highly illegal in Sweden. Prostitution is considered a societal ill there. Thousands of johns have been arrested and penalized. (Probably not what your sexpat buddies joelove, radcon, ghostrider, and TheCosmicHum want.) |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| OK, just so we're on the same page, buying sex is highly illegal in Sweden. Prostitution is considered a societal ill there. Thousands of johns have been arrested and penalized. (Probably not what your sexpat buddies joelove, radcon, ghostrider, and TheCosmicHum want.) |
you are truly one of the most clueless people on this board. you can talk about buying sex all you want and johns (even though that's not the topic at hand), but you are only dodging the issue and giving yourself reasons to justify your foolish thoughts.
and no weird rambler, because i think that women can do as they wish with their bodies (including abortions) this does not make me a "sexpat" and it's sad that that is the correlation that you have to make to make yourself feel better. and as for those other posters you mentioned, i don't know them and i care not what they do and it's not my place to judge them as long as they are not intentionally hurting anyone. trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to have a rational debate with a chimpanzee addicted to poking himself and giggling. have fun living in your bubble of close-mindedness bud. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| i was speaking the legality of women to sell it. |
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| joelove wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
It's not psychologically healthy to be a prostitute or john.
It's not safe either. (STDs, risk of arrest, risk of violence, risk of theft, etc.)
It's better to stay away from brothels.
Spending money for sex with prostitutes is pathetic and sad.
Don't do it. |
Who are you talking to here? Yourself? For a world traveler you have an odd world view. What is disgusting about it? Why is it psychologically unhealthy? Why is it pathetic and sad? Because you say so?
Sorry, man, you are not changing a thing with a post on Dave's. |
it's funny to hear other people tell weird rambler that he has such a narrow mind that betrays his screen name. i said the very same thing myself when he first appeared on these boards.
and wt, the risk of violence and std's exist with any sexually active person, prostitute or not. anytime you get involved with affairs that are of the heart you will raise the risk of emotional issues. plus you are speaking as an american as par for the course. risk of arrest? yes, in countries that demonize it. in other countries, like sweden, it's legal and has actually made the occupation as safe as most other professions. |
OK, just so we're on the same page, buying sex is highly illegal in Sweden. Prostitution is considered a societal ill there. Thousands of johns have been arrested and penalized. (Probably not what your sexpat buddies joelove, radcon, ghostrider, and TheCosmicHum want.) |
What are you talking about idiot? Don't use my name in vain. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, so you do want sex buyers in Sweden to be arrested? (For some reason I highly doubt that.) |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, so you do want sex buyers in Sweden to be arrested? (For some reason I highly doubt that.) |
I want all adults to have the freedom to do whatever they want as long as they don't harm others. You called me a "sexpat". I don't know what that entails but undoubtedly it's better than being a fundamentalist Christian wackjob with sexual hangups such as yourself. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not Christian. (I'm atheist.) I don't do prostitutes because they have STDs. That's the #1 reason to stay away. Another reason, it's a huge waste of money. (Plus it will cost more money to treat the gonorrhea or whatever else you catch. And keep in mind some STDs are incurable. Not worth it.)
Most Westerners oppose prostitution.
Most have never been to a prostitute.
(Looks like you're the wackjob, not me.) |
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