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happyinhenan
Joined: 01 Feb 2015
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 Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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That's what her degree was in. |
Yeah, right... she wouldn't have come out with something so silly, those basics are covered in linguistics 101.
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| But I agree that doesn't make her a linguistics expert, anymore than you're one. |
Where did I proclaim myself an expert? I just know more than you and few other ignoramuses on this thread, not a high bar, I agree.
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| Let's not get carried away by thinking a diploma or certificate makes us an expert. |
You have heard of the saying 'in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king'
Which is appropriate in this case, you know nothing about dialectology and haven't studied it for a day but you are still arguing the toss! You have been spreading your ignorance and your absolute lack of knowledge on this subject and it is embarrassing to be you.
And here is a challenge to any linguistics 'expert' out there who is reading this, do any of EZE's claims stack up to what you know about dialect or accent?
Let's see how many experts come to your aid.
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| My degree is in business and my major was logistics. |
And you know what? I am not going to argue the toss with you on how to freeze a chicken or stack pallets of corned beef.
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| Look at it this way. I'm working for peanuts in the sticks of Korea. You're working for peanuts in the sticks of China. Surely a great linguistics expert would be working in Pudong instead of Henan, publishing critically acclaimed best-selling books and being flown out to conferences instead of writing about linguistics on Dave's with lowly laymen like us. How is it that you have allowed some farmboy hillbilly like me to end up in a parallel position and salary as you in a field in which you have a degree and I don't? |
Shows how thick you are.
Where have I said I am an expert.
Where, go on, find that title I have bestowed on myself?
I know more than you though, and granted - that does not make me an expert because you know nothing on this subject, but what I will do is open myself up to an expert on dialectology to read through this thread and see whose claims stack up to what is seen as established academic fact.
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| Some laymen on here are in much more prestigious positions than you and are making small fortunes while you and I aren't. If you want to say you're an expert, fine, but nobody is going to take you seriously until you actually go out and prove yourself. |
Again, I am no expert though I have studied it. There is a big difference between the two. I have studied dialectology and you have yet to read a book on it - there is a big difference between us two too. Your ignorance couldn't go unchallenged and you are wrong.
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| But you think you can tell the differences between an American family and a Canadian family who are neighbors on the border just because you have a college degree. That's ignorance. |
Look up 'Canadian Shift' here you go, here is a wikipedia link on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shift
But you know more than Clark, Ellis and Youssef because you have seen some film with some Canadian actor and you and your budides couldn't tell he was a Canadian. 
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| I would say, "Okay." I would just assume they mean they speak with a common Australian accent instead of a regional one. |
So, they have an accent - IT'S AUSTRALIAN! Nothing neutral about that is there? Distinct to your ears? Not neutral? Well, that is how it is for other people when they listen to someone from Iowa. We get there at last!
Which goes back to my claim that there is no such thing as a 'neutral' accent and that anyone who says they have 'no accent' is an idiot.
Bloody hell!
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| I definitely wouldn't say, "No! No you don't! You're a layman and if you ask anyone in the UK with a degree in linguistics, they can easily tell which town in Australia you're from!" |
Who said that? I didn't say that, in fact, I have gone onto say numerous times on this thread that Australian English has even less variety than NA English.
No one is arguing that there is a lack of variation compared to British English but there are distinct if subtle regional differences in all kinds of accent in both Australian and Midwest English - the point you don't seem to get is there are lots of similarities between midwest, pacific northwest and californian but they are distinct, to you though - because you don't know any better - they sound the same.
But that is your ignorance talking, it is not fact.
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| Who cares? Sometimes you write run-on sentences when you laugh at others for being English teachers. It looks like both of us are living in glass houses when it comes to our English language knowledge. |
In the land where the man with one eye is king, you are the blind beggar.
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| I'm not even going to pretend to be an expert. |
You have your fields of expertise, like, how to store parsnips from mice.
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| After all, anyone can look at your grammar and mine and immediately pick up on the fact that we have glaring deficiencies in our English skills. We can claim to be English language experts if that's what floats our boats, but we're not fooling anyone. |
Again, I have to say it again, I am not expert - but I know more than you - and you are claiming for your nonsense to be fact, am I correct on that?
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| You're in Henan. |
This is a great part of China! That is why I am 'happyinhenan' you complete and utter genius.
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We both know what that means. When I taught in China, I was relegated to the sticks too.  |
You in ESL for 'the money'? sucks to be you then!!  |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| happyinhenan wrote: |
This is a great part of China! That is why I am 'happyinhenan' you complete and utter genius.
You in ESL for 'the money'? sucks to be you then!! |
Taking a job in Henan province is the China ESL equivalent of taking a job at Wonderland. You only accept the offer if it's the only one on the table.
But go ahead and tell me about how you're independently wealthy and didn't need the money, so you moved to Henan for the prestigious job, the fresh air, the starry nights, getting wined and dined by the aristocratic Henan ladies, and all of the other wonderful things Henan has to offer the most highly qualified English teachers in the ESL industry.  |
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happyinhenan
Joined: 01 Feb 2015
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
Taking a job in Henan province is the China ESL equivalent of taking a job at Wonderland. You only accept the offer if it's the only one on the table. |
Speak for yourself ya wizbit - I like Henan, it is my favourite part of China in all honesty. You don't like it? Who is asking you to live here? This is no place for wimps though - if one is the sort to go crying to the airport because Mexican food is unavailable - then Henan is not for them.
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| But go ahead and tell me about how you're independently wealthy and didn't need the money, so you moved to Henan for the prestigious job, the fresh air, the starry nights, getting wined and dined by the aristocratic Henan ladies, and all of the other wonderful things Henan has to offer the most highly qualified English teachers in the ESL industry. |
No, I am not of independent means - but you have to admit that teaching ESL - even in Henan is a lot more fun that stacking shelves past midnight - you know that, I know that also. The only thing you don't seem to know is the world don't move to the beat to just one drum! |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| No accent is better than the other. |
Well, when it comes to getting jobs, some are better (more useful/more desired) than others. That's just the way it goes.
See my list of classes and let me know.
Female English Tutor (Pyeongchon)
compensation: 50,000 Won per class
Looking for an English tutor on Monday's and Wednesday's from 6:15-7:15 for 4 (9 year old kids).
Speaking activities on Monday's and grammar/vocab on Wednesday's.
Please send resume and recent photo.
50,000 won per class.
Female North American English Tutor (Indeogwon Station)
compensation: 40,000 Won per class
Looking for an English tutor for a 10 yr old boy on Monday's from 4:30-5:30 and Thursday's 6:30-7:30. Focus on speaking and conversation.
Please send resume and recent photo.
40,000 Won per class
North American English Tutor (Pyeongchon)
compensation: 40,000 Won per class
Looking for an English tutor for two sisters on Tuesday's from 6:10-7:10.
Focus on speaking and vocabulary.
Please send resume and recent photo.
40,000 Won per class.
Bilingual Female English Tutor (Pyeongchon 4 Danji (complex))
compensation: 40,000 Won per class.
Looking for a bilingual female English tutor for 6 yr old girl. She is a beginner looking for fun educational classes.
April class will be Wednesday evenings from 5-6.
Starting in May classes will be Mon, Wed, and Fri after 4 PM.
She doesn't want any grammar or spelling learning. Prefers natural play class. And she wants to know what kind of material the tutor would teach.
Please send resume and recent photo.
Minimum 6 month commitment.
40,000 Won per class.
Female North American English Tutor (Pyeongchon)
compensation: 50,000 Won per class
Looking for a female English tutor for 3 (10 year olds) on Thursday nights from 8-9.
Focus on speaking.
Please send resume and recent photo.
50,000 Won per class
How many of those jobs mention education in any way? None of them. Gender is most important followed by country of origin. For how many of those jobs would British males be eligible? Zero. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| happyinhenan wrote: |
| Speak for yourself ya wizbit - I like Henan, it is my favourite part of China in all honesty. You don't like it? Who is asking you to live here? This is no place for wimps though - if one is the sort to go crying to the airport because Mexican food is unavailable - then Henan is not for them. |
Recruiters ask me to live there. Henan province wants anyone to live and teach there. I worked in a dump in China, Tianjin, and there were many people from all over the world teaching English there, including a Romanian and a Bosnian at the school where I worked. Henan is considerably more desperate for teachers than Tianjin. That's why it's so amusing to see such an uppity attitude when you're at the very rock bottom of the ESL industry. I'm at the bottom too, having worked at Wonderland and in Tianjin, but at least I realize it.
Chinese cuisine relies on many of the same staple foods as Mexican cuisine. I'm not saying you can find poblano peppers, for example, at the local market, but it only takes a small degree of flexibility with the local ingredients to do Mexican in China. People teaching in Henan aren't there because they're tough. They're there because their qualifications aren't good enough to teach at Peking University, or at their second choice, or at their third choice, or even at their four thousand and ninth choice. It's great that you enjoy your school and your town. I enjoy my school and my town too. But let's not pretend our qualifications exceed our current positions on the bottom rung of the ESL industry. |
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happyinhenan
Joined: 01 Feb 2015
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
Recruiters ask me to live there. Henan province wants anyone to live and teach there. I worked in a dump in China, Tianjin, and there were many people from all over the world teaching English there, including a Romanian and a Bosnian at the school where I worked. |
In all honesty, my place has ten native speakers including four Americans. I like it here, I like the weather, it's not too humid, like the food, good place to perfect your Chinese. Loads of reasons why someone might like Henan. I will agree that it isn't suitable to just anyone who wants a stint in China.
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| Henan is considerably more desperate for teachers than Tianjin. That's why it's so amusing to see such an uppity attitude when you're at the very rock bottom of the ESL industry. |
What does that mean? 'The rock bottom' money? How one is treated? The students? You need to qualify that statement a bit more, sure, it isn't fantastically paid but am far more happier than I was in Saudi Arabia earning 60000 dollars a year. Money is not everything or else I wouldn't be in ESL - and if you are in ESL to make money - you are a bit of a mug in my opinion.
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| I'm at the bottom too, having worked at Wonderland and in Tianjin, but at least I realize it. |
If I worked in a training centre in China, I would be crying also, they want their pound of flesh, right?
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| Chinese cuisine relies on many of the same staple foods as Mexican cuisine. |
Chinese cuisine is not uniform, Sichuan is very different from Henan which is very different from Shandong etc - you know that.
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| I'm not saying you can find poblano peppers, for example, at the local market, but it only takes a small degree of flexibility with the local ingredients to do Mexican in China. People teaching in Henan aren't there because they're tough. |
You don't have to be tough - just don't be a wimp - big difference - I know people who have scarpered because they cannot find cheese or butter.
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| They're there because their qualifications aren't good enough to teach at Peking University, |
Funny - I was offered an interview there, but not everyone wants to live in Beijing and pay a fortune for a shoebox in a megatropolis - are we getting the picture now?
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| It's great that you enjoy your school and your town. I enjoy my school and my town too. But let's not pretend our qualifications exceed our current positions on the bottom rung of the ESL industry. |
Speak for yourself, lad. You are a qualified blanket stacker.
If I want to know what temperature to store cheese at, I would go to you.
You prefer ESL to blanket stacking - I don't blame you.
Actually, my old boss wants teachers at his place ASAP - 60000 dollars a year tax free teaching apprentices in the oil industry - you need an related MA (something I have) - I left there last year because there are more important things than making money but it might be a fit for a money grabbing individual like yourself, send me a PM and I will pass on his details/or I will pass on yours. Genuine offer.  |
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