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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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 Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: Re: F-4 visa in korea |
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| According to the US embassy, you don't need a degree to work in hagwons as a teacher with an F4 visa. The only thing you can't do is hold a blue collar job. Although working is not required, if you do, it has to be a white collar job. Many hagwons in korea list their jobs as minimum BA/BS probably because they are listing for E-2 visa holders. |
Yes, we are talking about working visas, like an E-2. an F-4 is a residential visa. She was talking about a working holiday visa (H-1) which yes, you do not need a degree, but you can't teach with it either. |
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sinister
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
Location: Bupyeong
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| I appologize for my reply. I was replying to an earlier post on another page and somehow threw a boner. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| sinister wrote: |
| I appologize for my reply. I was replying to an earlier post on another page and somehow threw a boner. |
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sinister
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
Location: Bupyeong
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| hmm....22 more posts and i can pm. I have a question about the e-2 visa. Isn't the background check done in the country of origin? Background as in criminal and academic? And let's just say that a person comes to Korea with a tourist visa, fabricates a fake degree, then procures the e-2 visa. If he gets caught, is the punishable crime from faking the degree or extending his original 3 month stay in Korea that the tourist visa originally got him? I find it hard to believe that faking a degree can get you 6 months in jail. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| sinister wrote: |
| hmm....22 more posts and i can pm. I have a question about the e-2 visa. Isn't the background check done in the country of origin? Background as in criminal and academic? |
Background as in criminal. Yes, the background check has to be done in your country of origin.
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| And let's just say that a person comes to Korea with a tourist visa, fabricates a fake degree, then procures the e-2 visa. If he gets caught, is the punishable crime from faking the degree or extending his original 3 month stay in Korea that the tourist visa originally got him? I find it hard to believe that faking a degree can get you 6 months in jail. |
Ok, you can't fake a degree anymore because you need your sealed transcripts from your university now. But let's just say you do it. It sums it up to you are working illegally, that's what you're going to get in trouble for. You will be fined, deported, and forfeit all your belongings basically, because they take you directly to the airport and you are not allowed to return to you home, your bank, anything.
There is someone who just got busted working at a summer camp. Here's the really bad part. She had an honest to goodness E-2 visa. But, instead of getting her C-4(?) visas for working at summer camps, she apparently just decided to do the camps without the proper paperwork. She's been here I think about 2 years (I think) now they refuse to even let her go to the pension office to collect all the legally earned pension. Nor the bank, nor her apartment. Look for the thread about summer camps being busted in the general discussion board I think. |
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sinister
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
Location: Bupyeong
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Ty for your replies Carla. You seem well informed. Not to stray from this thread, but I did notice that this thread has changed course a few times over several pages...please bear me one additional question. Would an F4 visa holder, who is not required to have a degree, still be deported if he faked a degree? |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| sinister wrote: |
| Ty for your replies Carla. You seem well informed. Not to stray from this thread, but I did notice that this thread has changed course a few times over several pages...please bear me one additional question. Would an F4 visa holder, who is not required to have a degree, still be deported if he faked a degree? |
Hmmm, not sure. If you work at a hagwon, who cares? They don't sponsor your visa for the F-4, so you don't even need a degree to work at a hagwon. At the public schools, I don't know. You wouldn't get deported, but you would probably be banned from teaching again at a public schools, and fined maybe? I wouldn't try it. Especially if you are Korean, you really don't want to ruin your name in Korea. |
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sinister
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| Ok...we've covered schools and hagwons...but I'm also interested in recruiting companies that send you to companies to teach adults. From my understanding, that's where the top dollar is. Would submitting false documents with an f4 visa be punishable and by how much? |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| sinister wrote: |
| Ok...we've covered schools and hagwons...but I'm also interested in recruiting companies that send you to companies to teach adults. From my understanding, that's where the top dollar is. Would submitting false documents with an f4 visa be punishable and by how much? |
I don't know. But anywhere you have to submit your degree, you have to submit your sealed transcripts. |
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ahram04
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| what are the chances of getting a job at a private school without a degreeif you have an f-4 visa? if it's possible, how do you go about doing so? would a recruiter help you with getting you a job? |
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sinister
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
Location: Bupyeong
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm assuming that you're talking about a private elementary school. It all depends on the recruiting agency and the school. Some places want degrees and sealed transcripts while others don't. If you have an F-4 visa and you are already in Korea, there is a website called eslkorea.net you might want to check out. Many schools and hagwons post job openings there bypassing the recruiting agency completely. |
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ahram04
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| unfortunately i'm still in the states but i'll check out the site. thanks! |
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sinister
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
Location: Bupyeong
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| e-mail me if u wish to continue talking about f-4 related topics...i have an f-4 |
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sinister
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Hi all, since my last posting, i had a few e-mails asking me for more info on working in korea without a degree and thought i'd share a lil info. please bear in mind that most of this info is stuff i picked up here and there and may or may not be correct.
From my understanding, all schools and hagwons are required by law to notify some government agency the names of the teachers under their employ. Along with this notification a copy of your degree is required. If the degree is in English, the government agency asks that it be translated into korean. This happened to me.
Some hagwons don't do it because they either choose to ignore it or they aren't aware of it.
The government taxes the hell out of hagwons and the hagwons also get a tax break for each teacher that they employ so long as they report each teacher as mentioned above.
For ppl interested in working in Korea without a degree, applying directly to the hagwon or school may result in failure because they probably will ask for the degree. The best method is to find a recruitor that doesn't require it. Often times...schools and hagwons that hire through an agency "trust" that the degree bs was handled by the agency thus creating a backdoor for ppl without degrees.
I hope this was helpful. e-mail me for phone numbers to "friendly" agents. |
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IcySummer
Joined: 21 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: What if...... |
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Hey Everyone!
I was not sure if I should have created a new thread however, I wanted to ask if I could submit my Master's degree instead of my Bachelor's Degree?
My Bachelor's Degree and transcripts will not be released by my undergraduate institution until my account is paid in full.
So, I was wondering if I could just use my Master's Degree? I called the Korean Consulate in D.C. and she said this was fine but I was not sure if she completely understood my question.
I also contacted CIEE and they mentioned that this should be fine however, I wanted to ask if anyone had a similar experience? Or any information you could share?
This would put my mind at ease. Thanks! |
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