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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| I missed a ?. Am I going to Hell? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| What if I said Santa and the Boogeyman are the same person. Would that tend to paint Santa in a negative light. |
No, but if you told me that you worhipped Santa and the bogeyman as part of the same entity, I could probably conclude something about your attitude toward children. Namely, that it is somewhat conflicted. |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| What if I said Santa and the Boogeyman are the same person. |
I have more reason to believe in Santa than I do God; Santa eats the cookies I leave for him, fills my stocking, and leaves me presents under the tree.
God's cookies remain untouched after all these years. |
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Gorgias
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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I think the bad taste in my mouth left by a recent visit to the middle-east has woren off enough that I'm ready to come back and defend Islam again. First things first, study the life of Mohammad, learn how to spell his name, and read the Koran, and learn how to spell that too.
Will be back later.... |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Rushdie has the right idea- what we're seeing now isn't so much a conflict of Islam vs. the West or Islam vs. Judeo-Christianity (even though some on both sides of these divisions are trying very hard hard to cast it as such), what we are seeing is another historic clash of Faith vs. Reason.
I know which side I'm rooting for...
Caleb Carr's "Lessons of Terror" is recommended reading to highlight this point. |
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Xian
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, now lets discuss what we know of Jesus Christ and what he was supposed to have stated and compare that to what we know of Muhammed |
If you're talking about Jesus the historcial figure(allowing for the fact that most of what we know about him is based on a document not generally considered historical), then yes, Jesus was the more peaceful guy. But I don't think this accounts for Christianity today being the more peaceful religion. |
The New Testament is BY FAR the most reliable book of antiquity. No other document comes nearly as close os the New Testament for its reliability of translation and accuracy.
There are several other ancient writings talking Jesus, both 'Christian and secular'. Some are just small amounts, but some large, ie: Josephus, Thallus, Pliny, Talmud (brief) to mention just a few.
But I agree that the image many paint of Jesus today is far from the true historical Jesus of 1st century Israel / Palestine.
Regarding earlier comments, it is not so simple to say people are thrown into the lake of fire for having a number on their head, so I guess you were not totally serious in saying something like that. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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In English translations of the Bible (but not in other languages...) the recent trend is to alter the translation (and meaning) of the 6th Commandment from "Thou Shalt Not Kill" to "Thou Shalt Do No Murder"...
Of course, arguments have been advanced that the revised version is a more accurate translation, but I - and some notable Biblical scholars - suspect that it's a corruption of the original intent. I think it's because (at least on some level) meat-lovin' Christians are embarassed about so freqently transgressing "Thou Shalt Not Kill" when it comes to the merciless systematic killing of so many millions of animals each day (by day...)http://members.tripod.com/jbrooks2/THOU_SHALT_NOT_KILL.html |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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In English translations of the Bible (but not in other languages...) the recent trend is to alter the translation (and meaning) of the 6th Commandment from "Thou Shalt Not Kill" to "Thou Shalt Do No Murder"...
Of course, arguments have been advanced that the revised version is a more accurate translation, but I - and some notable Biblical scholars - suspect that it's a corruption of the original intent. I think it's because (at least on some level) meat-lovin' Christians are embarassed about so freqently transgressing "Thou Shalt Not Kill" when it comes to the merciless systematic killing of so many millions of animals each day (by day...)http://members.tripod.com/jbrooks2/THOU_SHALT_NOT_KILL.html |
I swear you are like the girlfriend who turns every conversation into one about her. Today I was fired, my mom died and I totaled my car. Ya, well today I got a big mosquito bite right on the tip of my nose, blah blah blah...
(by the way, it could be a boyfriend too, not being sexist here) |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Well, slap my face and call me Suzy!... 
(I think Daman Wayans used that line - I've been waiting for the right spot to get it in - thanks...)
Hey, when it comes to either Christianity or Islam the only point I will hammer home is the issue of unnecessary killing of any living beings... |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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In English translations of the Bible (but not in other languages...) the recent trend is to alter the translation (and meaning) of the 6th Commandment from "Thou Shalt Not Kill" to "Thou Shalt Do No Murder"...
Of course, arguments have been advanced that the revised version is a more accurate translation, but I - and some notable Biblical scholars - suspect that it's a corruption of the original intent. I think it's because (at least on some level) meat-lovin' Christians are embarassed about so freqently transgressing "Thou Shalt Not Kill" when it comes to the merciless systematic killing of so many millions of animals each day (by day...)http://members.tripod.com/jbrooks2/THOU_SHALT_NOT_KILL.html |
Yeah, the original intent of "Thou shalt not kill," was to codemn the killing of animals as well as humans.  Apparently, God didn't see the irony that in the very same book (Exodus) people are instructed as to what animals they should sacrifice for various occasions, the Passover ceremony is instituted (in which every household is to slay a lamb), and the people were provided quail to eat by God himself. Biblical scholars indeed. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's because (at least on some level) meat-lovin' Christians are embarassed about so freqently transgressing "Thou Shalt Not Kill" when it comes to the merciless systematic killing of so many millions of animals each day (by day...)http://members.tripod.com/jbrooks2/THOU_SHALT_NOT_KILL.html |
I thought I explained all that to you earlier..with relevant verse references?
Don't know about other religions..but Christians are permitted to eat meat.
Ideally the plan was to be vegetarian. The original creation was made to live on fruits and plants, but after the flood God allowed all acreatures to be part of the human diet, due to the fact evil had already entered the world... |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| My understanding based, so to speak, on a "post-graduate level study of all religious scriptures" is that sin is incurred only when the animal killing is done unnecessarily. Obviously, in times of (vegetarian-type) food shortages or emergencies (caused by natural disasters like the Great Flood...) there would be no sinful reaction for killing and eating whatever was available to eat. Milk products (apart from dairy industry abuses...) are also "sin-free" and can be combined with fruits, grains, vegetables, nuts, etc. to provide complete nourishment for humans. Also, what is sinful is the killing - not the meat-eating per se - so that animals that die naturally can be eaten without incurring sin. I think that this general principle reconciles apparent contradictions and inconsistencies better than making arbitrary time-lines - or giving the impression that God is whimsical... |
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Xian
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, what is sinful is the killing - not the meat-eating per se - so that animals that die naturally can be eaten without incurring sin. |
Eating a putrid, rotting carcass. Yeah! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Meat putrifies in the large intestine anyway, indicating that humans are not normally meant to eat animal flesh. Carnivores all have short digestive tracts.
The animal sacrifices in ancient Vedic times were the recommended means for self-realization in a different age when humankind lived much longer (up to 10,000 of our present years) and the brahmana priests were very powerful. The sacrificial fires were ignited by mantras, and after old, decrepit animals entered the fire they emerged with new, young and healthy bodies - so they were not really killed.
Since there are presently no such powerful priests around qualified to perform that kind of ritual effectively such animal sacrifices are now forbidden. The only sacrifice recommended in this fallen age (that began about 5000 years ago) is the chanting of the Lord's Holy Names ... |
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