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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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The documentary itself, whilst interesting, was about as one-sided as these things come. That is not to say I agree with the woolier members of the student left whose tactics of obstruction and emotive howling down of dissent I am all too aware of (did my time as a student rep), but it cast members of the pro-Palestine and anti-war movement as bigots by creating a series of straw men and non sequitors. You only had to look to the side-blurb on the youtube page to see the accusations of a Wahab-Saudi-Funded group; well why was this not discussed in the documentary? That was as disgraceful as the anti-war protester's anti-semetic sign. Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia both stink.
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yes it was one sided...I didn't like the interviewers tone nor questions, but I think it captures well what's happening on campus. Pro-Palestinian groups often bully others around...Just look at Daniel Pipes speeches if you think it's just a straw man or isolated example.... |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| And Pipes' McCarthy-ite list of 'disapproved' academics? What of that? |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll say it again, get your hands on Discordia. It follows Noah, Aaron and Samer around and gives a far better description of what happened. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Kinda related...
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Thirty Montreal-area Muslims suspected of being terrorists are under heavy police surveillance, a Journal de Montreal reporter contends in a new book.
Montrealers are wrong to think they're safe from terrorism, Fabrice de Pierrebourg says. In fact, he says, the city is a haven for planning, preparing, and financing terrorist acts.
Pierrebourg's book, Montrealistan, profiles 20 of the 30 suspected terrorists, including a man believed to have played a role in a wave of terrorist acts in France in the 1990s who now works as a taxi driver in this city. The book is to be released next week. |
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=33a17d42-d808-469d-a243-e6966c953275&k=65287
Should be an interesting read. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll say it again, get your hands on Discordia. It follows Noah, Aaron and Samer around and gives a far better description of what happened. |
I don't know all the characters. I do believe I knew an Aaron at Concordia who was involved with the Palestinian group. He was a Bundist type fellow who believed something need to be done to end the occupation. He seemed to be concerned about that. I did meet Samer and had many discussions with him. I can tell you when the incidents happened he was quite moderate. There was a time when I knew him when he was not, but I assure you that he was, he became quite Left leaning in some ways and was more than open to reach out to like-minded people on the Jewish side, and I believe he had a Jewish girlfriend. That hardly makes him an anti-Semite. The guy loved quoting Chomsky and others. He was not quoting Binladin. And some terrorist elements in Montreal doesn't mean that Arab students are terrorists as BJWD seems to imply, and there are many Jewish terrorists in Montreal, because in my book if you supply settlers and the settler movement you are abetting and aiding warcrimes. But since it is done by the other side, it doesn't matter. Juxtaposing Islamic radicals with people like Samer or Aaron is ridiculous. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| And some terrorist elements in Montreal doesn't mean that Arab students are terrorists as BJWD seems to imply, |
Do I? No, I don't. Though, I would feel quite confident in asserting that quite a lot of them are sufficiently radical enough to become terrorists if the situation were to present itself. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| There are terrorist cells in the states too. Why are you so worried about montreal? Are they not worried enough for you? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Me?
I'm not worried about Montreal. I'm actually not worried about terrorism (islamic, that is.. the eco-nuts to worry me) at all either.
Just sayin.. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: |
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And Pipes' McCarthy-ite list of 'disapproved' academics? What of that?
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You just proved yourself to be retarded....those lists were put up because the professors were bullying and indimidating students...don't believe me just look at Hammid Dabashi from columbia....also lots of professors were so "outraged" that they asked to be put on the list...oh yeah so McCarthy....Pipes is Not a racist and definately does not deserve to have Canadian students at Toronto go ape-shit... |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: |
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And Pipes' McCarthy-ite list of 'disapproved' academics? What of that?
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You just proved yourself to be retarded....those lists were put up because the professors were bullying and indimidating students...don't believe me just look at Hammid Dabashi from columbia....also lots of professors were so "outraged" that they asked to be put on the list...oh yeah so McCarthy....Pipes is Not a racist and definately does not deserve to have Canadian students at Toronto go ape-*beep*... |
F#ckhead. First a disclaimer, since your mother obviously had to tie your laces for you until quite an advanced age, god bless her cheesecaked thighs, and jeebus only knows how you managed to get over here. I'm not on the left, but it's the sign of a true moron that he only sees intimidation coming from one side of the political spectrum. Pipes is quite active in spreading the current meta-narrative that any support of Palestine equates to a form of anti-semitism. While I am not dismissing the fact that it happens on the left, he's clearly in the camp for those of the LGF bent who seek to stifle debate on the issue by equating any sympathy for the cause with terror and Islamofascism. And before your syph-addled little brain gets ticking and accuses me of supporting what went on at Concordia, you can go have relations with the welfare *beep* that spawned you. Right, now we got that out of the way, back the f#ck off with the ad-hominems, boy, coz we all know where it leads. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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I really think we should suspend posting on this thread until our self-appointed PC Patrol gets here to put all this name-calling in its proper place. Those last two posts really offended....well, someone I'm sure.
Gopher?
OH?
Your prisoner.... |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Well I'll be buggered, nice detective work, Sherlock. Yes, my intent was to offend in the grossest of ways, but you'll notice it was a knee-jerk reaction to the mouthbreather I quoted. Another reason why I rarely post on this nest of f@ck-tardery. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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And Pipes' McCarthy-ite list of 'disapproved' academics? What of that?
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You just proved yourself to be retarded....those lists were put up because the professors were bullying and indimidating students...don't believe me just look at Hammid Dabashi from columbia....also lots of professors were so "outraged" that they asked to be put on the list...oh yeah so McCarthy....Pipes is Not a racist and definately does not deserve to have Canadian students at Toronto go ape-*beep*... |
F#ckhead. First a disclaimer, since your mother obviously had to tie your laces for you until quite an advanced age, god bless her cheesecaked thighs, and jeebus only knows how you managed to get over here. I'm not on the left, but it's the sign of a true moron that he only sees intimidation coming from one side of the political spectrum. Pipes is quite active in spreading the current meta-narrative that any support of Palestine equates to a form of anti-semitism. While I am not dismissing the fact that it happens on the left, he's clearly in the camp for those of the LGF bent who seek to stifle debate on the issue by equating any sympathy for the cause with terror and Islamofascism. And before your syph-addled little brain gets ticking and accuses me of supporting what went on at Concordia, you can go have relations with the welfare *beep* that spawned you. Right, now we got that out of the way, back the f#ck off with the ad-hominems, boy, coz we all know where it leads. |
I think you misunderstood his post. Unless I am mistaken, he was talking about the right wing Zionist fascist types who have put liberal Canadian and conservative professors on lists if they didn't agree with their politics regarding the Palestinians. One Canadian professor at Concordia who comes from a very old family in Montreal insisted he be put on that dumb list.
I believe Pipes was associated with compiling the list. People talk about the intolerant Muslims. But there are so many Jews who are just as intolerant. There was witch hunt against this Columbia professor who was an Arab Christian. They were dragging his name through the mud, because they didn't want an Arab Christian or not at the post. Dr. Finkelstein, a Jew, is not teaching in his native New York. He is teaching in Illinois. Also, Dr. Edward Said was called a liar by some people who were saying he fabricated the story of being born in West Jerusalem to an Angliclan Palestinian family there and attending St. George's. If one criticizes the so-called community leaders, it is like you drew some Mohammed cartoons. The fact that a Jewish student got expelled from York by ex-senator Marsden shows there is a serious intolerance on one side and this portrayal of one side that way is bigotry sans rien dire de plus...
So both Semites are pretty radical. And, Samer, is not a radical Islamist or terrorist. He is a leftist and don't tell me the other side is peaceful while supporting settlements and bulldozing homes, and using rubber bullets etc... |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| The notion of universal sufferage is a new one. The framers of the constitution and early American leaders only included the landowning white men. They did this because they were thought to be more intellegent and thus able to make better decisions. Stupid people, or at least people unable to complete HS shouldn't be allowed to vote (or drive for that matter or have children) because they are clearly not responsible enough to make decison. |
I agree-and all Maritimers should be disqualified until they stop sponging off of productive voting Canadians through equalisation payments. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| While I am not dismissing the fact that it happens on the left, he's clearly in the camp for those of the LGF bent who seek to stifle debate on the issue by equating any sympathy for the cause with terror and Islamofascism. And before your syph-addled little brain gets ticking and accuses me of supporting what went on at Concordia, you can go have relations with the welfare *beep* that spawned you |
thanks for the plentiful writing about my mother and then the nice moral lesson about ad-hominems at the end. great stuff..
It's so funny how people like Pipes are accused of stifling debate by those who actually are guilty of it. I'm not pointing to you necessarily, all though you seem to fall for it hook line and sinker, but to those of the type that we saw in the video...As you may or may not have noticed conservative opinions are not equally represented in the field of Middle East studies....In fact those who dare to express pro Israel views are often shouted down in class or insulted by their professors. Pipes has never has they the professors be silenced (unless they support terrorists, which has happened). |
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