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Do you believe in ghosts?
Yes
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 43%  [ 24 ]
No
41%
 41%  [ 23 ]
Undecided
14%
 14%  [ 8 ]
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DRAMA OVERKILL



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ED209 wrote:
nobbyken wrote:
If Jesus believed in ghosts, then so do I.


If Jesus jumped off a cliff would you?


If the cliff wasn't too high, and there was a body of water below full of naked eager ladies swimming around calling my name, then I'd take the plunge... Otherwise, probably not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
Yes, it's a sad day for Captain Kirk all right.


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kimchi_pizza



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
Personally I'd be more interested in stories people have about ghosts they think they met.

I'll leave you to your sterile thread/turf as there are no ghosts. Next!


To sooth some ruffled feathers, I'll try to share my tale at the risk of sounding like a crack-pot, but to teach English in a foreign country there's already a small crack in my pot so I reck'n, why not?

It's a bit complicated and it's late so I may have to tell this in three parts:

Part I

I was stationed in Ft. Riley, Kansas a number of years ago and being an MP, I went on patrol duty from 9pm - 6am. Our barracks were obviously a set of very old, but remodeled buildings and I was lucky enough to have a room to myself.
Since I work at night I had the day to myself and so I threw a movie into my VCR. It was a bright summer day as the rays came in through a large window directly behind my couch. In front of me, on wall behind my TV you could make out the shadow of the window. The movie finished and I went and kneeled down in front of the VCR to take the tape out, then in a matter of a second or two I saw the shadow of a man walking by on the wall in front of me as if he walked directly behind me. I could clearly make out the silouette of a man's face and he was wearing some kind of wide-brimmed type of cowboy hat.
My first reaction was to quickly turn my head and look behind me as a "Euhh?!" escaped my throat....and....nothing. I wasn't scared or nervous or anything, just confused as even the idea of "ghost" hadn't even entered my mind. Instead I was trying to rationalize it every way BUT "ghost".
So I slowly stood up, walked behind my couch, nothing, walked up to the window and looked down from my SECOND floor room so it was impossible that someone walked by from the outside. I even looked up at a neighboring roof tops and at the blinding sun. I didn't see anything, but crows so that's that's how I justified it at first, "Damn birds!".

Part II

So I forgot about the "birds" and went on duty that night. It was a typical boring night of patroling empty streets and buildings so one patrol radioed that we all meet up at the cemetary and my partner was driving so we thought, "Why not?".
But my partner was going in a totally new direction. I asked where the hell he was going and he said to the cemetary. Well, Ft. Riley has a "modern" cemetary in the center of the fort and that was the only one I knew of so I thought we were going there. Turns out there was another much older one on the edge of the fort on some distant lonely hill so we went there instead. We meet up, yank out our foot long maglights and file through a chain-linked fence into this very old cemetary. The moment I stepped past the fence and into the cemetary, my flashlight....DIED. Oh, the horror! Anywho, it really did go out and we walked around reading headstones upwards of 200 years old or something.
The following day I tried to fix my maglight and it simply wouldn't work. Changed the bulb-nada. Changed the batteries, a no-go. So simple a contraption, and I couldn't get it to work. I was plenty pissed 'cause those flashlights weren't cheap, but I had to have one and bought a new one.
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gyopogirlfromtexas



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say I believe in them. But I like watching Weird Travels on TLC about haunted places. http://travel.discovery.com/tv/most-haunted/slideshow/index.html
They also have some show where the guys are trying to prove that ghosts are fake. http://travel.discovery.com/tv/most-haunted/most-haunted.html It was really creepy when the temperature machine made an image of a guy, the ghost, and you can even tell what he's wearing.

I bet if you go to the Myrtles Plantation in Louisiana, you'd believe in them. http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2005/10/4/1464/00802/hotels/Haunted_Hotles_Myrtles_Plantation
It seems like all plantation homes are haunted. I've never seen one in person, but I had this friend who lived in the boonies. The drive there was scary at night. Driving 40 minutes into dark dirt roads, and the only light I had was my headlight. I felt like I was in a horror movie.. He said there's one really near by, people tried to spend the night there and even live there, and no one lasted. Everyone who went got to see a few ghosts, supposedly. I want to see one, but I might be traumatized.

http://theshadowlands.net/places/texas.htm This is a website I've read, when I sometimes wanted to see one in person for myself.
And there was this one time, I was sleeping alone in the dorms. I was fully awake but paralyzed, and I heard a gentle female voice, and something was caressing my cheek. I wasn't scared, but I wanted to open my eyes because that just seemed awkward. I clearly remembered sleeping with no lights, and I felt a really bright light beaming on my face from where that thing was. I think it realized I was about to open my eyes and turn my face to its direction. I felt the light and the voice abruptly move immediately away from me, and I felt some piece of clothing gently gliding by my face as it was escaping. I think it knew that I might be scared, so it wanted to disappear right away. I opened my eyes right that second. It was dark in my dorm, and I thought maybe my roommate played a prank on me. So I looked up at her bunk bed, and she wasn't even there. I don't think I'm religious enough to have one, if they are real, but maybe it was a guardian angel.

I wouldn't want to see a ghost myself, because I'm such a chicken. There's also a movie based on a true story called The Entity, where the ghost physically abuses the woman. I hear ghosts can make sounds and appear for a little while, but for them to do physical damage sounds crazy.
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kimchi_pizza



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epilogue

I later found out by asking around that those barracks we lived in were the exact same ones cavalry soldiers used during the Wild West days and they even housed George A. Custer(Sp?) and his regiment before they headed northward and to their doom.

So, I kinda put 1 and 1 together and like to think my visitor was one of those soldiers who met his end in that fort and still likes to hang around as it explains the wide-brimmed hat my "bird" wore.

There you have it. Take it for what it's worth.

Now, any'a you spelling/grammar whinners, off with ya! It's 3 a.m. and I going to bed for a ......peaceful. nights. sleep? WooooOOOOOoooooOOOoo

Oops, spelligin errors...


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JMO



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
"you're both anal nerds"


Thats going on the next batch of t-shirts.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
Yes, it's a sad day for Captain Kirk all right. Sniff. Laughing Here's another bit of feel-good for you and Mindmetoo, "you're both anal nerds" Laughing


Again, you've complained all through this thread that we were insulting you although other than point out your logical fallacies I don't recall leveling an insult at you. You, on the other hand, have been petulant and insulting with every post.

We won? Yes. Won on style.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
JMO, Mindmetoo, if you want to find out about ghosts research on how to go about it. You can start with an oujia board


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect

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Talking about the topic of the esoteric in this debating way is, I find, pointless and disheartening (and not because I 'lose the debate').


And yet that's about all you've done here.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gyopogirlfromtexas wrote:
I was sleeping alone in the dorms. I was fully awake but paralyzed, and I heard a gentle female voice, and something was caressing my cheek.


This is a well known sleeping phenomenon called sleep paralysis. Also known as a waking nightmare. It's well documented and can be repeated in the lab.


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Possible causes

Sleep paralysis occurs during REM sleep in order to prevent the body from manifesting movements made in the subject's dreams. Very little is known about the physiology of sleep paralysis. However, some have suggested that it may be linked to post-synaptic inhibition of motor neurons in the pons region of the brain. In particular, low levels of melatonin may stop the depolarization current in the nerves, which prevents the stimulation of the muscles, to prevent the body from enacting the dreamt activity (e.g. preventing a sleeper from flailing his legs when dreaming about running).

Many people who commonly enter sleep paralysis also suffer from narcolepsy. However, various studies suggest that many or most people will experience sleep paralysis at least once or twice in their lives.

Some reports read that various factors increase the likelihood of both paralysis and hallucinations. These include: [3]

* Sleeping in a supine position (facing upwards)
* Irregular sleeping schedules; naps, sleeping in, sleep deprivation
* Increased stress
* Sudden environmental/lifestyle changes
* A lucid dream that immediately precedes the episode. Also conscious induction of sleep paralysis is a common technique to enter a state of lucid dreams, also known as WILD[1] .
* Artificial sleeping aids, ADD medications and/or antihistamines


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

it could also be a false awakening

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_awakening
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ED209



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
"you're both anal nerds"


Thats going on the next batch of t-shirts.


Can I have one "I'm with anal nerd <arrow pointing left or right>"?
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ED209



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the Ghost story, wish I read last night for added effect. I would like to give some natural explanations.

kimchi_pizza wrote:

Part I

I was stationed in Ft. Riley, Kansas a number of years ago and being an MP, I went on patrol duty from 9pm - 6am. Our barracks were obviously a set of very old, but remodeled buildings and I was lucky enough to have a room to myself.
Since I work at night I had the day to myself and so I threw a movie into my VCR. It was a bright summer day as the rays came in through a large window directly behind my couch. In front of me, on wall behind my TV you could make out the shadow of the window. The movie finished and I went and kneeled down in front of the VCR to take the tape out, then in a matter of a second or two I saw the shadow of a man walking by on the wall in front of me as if he walked directly behind me. I could clearly make out the silouette of a man's face and he was wearing some kind of wide-brimmed type of cowboy hat.


We don't really know what time of day this happened or the design of the building since this can have a psychological effect on a persons brain. More importantly you sa you clearly saw the shadow of a man and his face. This reminds me of that bun that looks like mother Theresa

We are pattern seeking people.




kimchi_pizza wrote:
My first reaction was to quickly turn my head and look behind me as a "Euhh?!" escaped my throat....and....nothing. I wasn't scared or nervous or anything, just confused as even the idea of "ghost" hadn't even entered my mind. Instead I was trying to rationalize it every way BUT "ghost".
So I slowly stood up, walked behind my couch, nothing, walked up to the window and looked down from my SECOND floor room so it was impossible that someone walked by from the outside. I even looked up at a neighboring roof tops and at the blinding sun. I didn't see anything, but crows so that's that's how I justified it at first, "Damn birds!".


It wasn't Mother Theresa it was a bun! Sorry, but you know how those optical illusions work, you can't trust your eyes or ears they are not cameras or microphones(you can't really trust them either).



kimchi_pizza wrote:
Part II

So I forgot about the "birds" and went on duty that night. It was a typical boring night of patroling empty streets and buildings so one patrol radioed that we all meet up at the cemetary and my partner was driving so we thought, "Why not?".
But my partner was going in a totally new direction. I asked where the hell he was going and he said to the cemetary. Well, Ft. Riley has a "modern" cemetary in the center of the fort and that was the only one I knew of so I thought we were going there. Turns out there was another much older one on the edge of the fort on some distant lonely hill so we went there instead. We meet up, yank out our foot long maglights and file through a chain-linked fence into this very old cemetary. The moment I stepped past the fence and into the cemetary, my flashlight....DIED. Oh, the horror! Anywho, it really did go out and we walked around reading headstones upwards of 200 years old or something.
The following day I tried to fix my maglight and it simply wouldn't work. Changed the bulb-nada. Changed the batteries, a no-go. So simple a contraption, and I couldn't get it to work. I was plenty pissed 'cause those flashlights weren't cheap, but I had to have one and bought a new one.


Again you have gone pattern finding and correlate the cemetery as the cause of your ghost and the failure of your flashlight. Was there any other kind of electrical failures in that area more common than anywhere else on the base. How often does a flashlight fail? All I can see is coincidence not correlation. I would remember something not working in a cemetery too but not all the other times my lights have failed, motor not started, mobile died,...

kimchi_pizza wrote:
Epilogue

I later found out by asking around that those barracks we lived in were the exact same ones calvary soldiers used during the Wild West days and they even housed George A. Custard(Sp?) and his regiment before they headed northward and to their doom.

So, I kinda put 1 and 1 together and like to think my visitor was one of those soldiers who met his end in that fort and still likes to hang around as it explains the wide-brimmed hat my "bird" wore.

There you have it. Take it for what it's worth.

Now, any'a you spelling/grammar whinners, off with ya! It's 3 a.m. and I going to bed for a ......peaceful. nights. sleep? WooooOOOOOoooooOOOoo


Thanks again for the story. Not saying it wasn't a spooky soldier, if I was there I may well have believed the same, but I don't trust my senses. I think it was most likely birds, although that doesn't make a good ghost story. The bird's wide brimmed hat could be explained as 'bed hair' or ruffled feathers Wink

Also remember we can't trust our memories either and often change them each time we recall them and we rarely are conscious of this. [/img]
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi_pizza wrote:
The moment I stepped past the fence and into the cemetary, my flashlight....DIED.
I hear this happens when spiritual activity is so strong, that it drains the battery of anything. At least you didn't go in your car. I'd be horrified if I was stuck in a pitch black cemetery at night. And screw coming out of the car. Some people who believe in spirits, say you have to have the doors locked and windows rolled up.

They say to don't let them in, they can come in your nightmares if you let them. So you have to be strong. I have no idea how something dead, can sense if they think I'm an easy target or if I am even accessible to them. But I don't think I want to find out by being stalked by one either. How do you let them know you are strong? I don't know that either. So I stay away from the so called haunted places. I guess maybe they do exist, but I've never seen one. Don't want to either.

One time, my sister's friends kept going to cemeteries at 3:30am and they forced me to go. I almost cried when they made me get out of the car alone and acted like they were driving off. Horrible prank! They said that is the "special" time. Thank God I didn't see anything.

But I guess if people really want to find out if ghosts are real, they might want to go Gettysburg. Lot of people say it is haunted. I could imagine anywhere like that, where there was that much agony and so many people murdered before their time, there can be some unhappy spirits. I also hear that the interaction with the so called "other side" gets physical in some parts. I think that'd be a little too much for me. Makes me not want to go at all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gyopogirlfromtexas wrote:


But I guess if people really want to find out if ghosts are real, they might want to go Gettysburg. Lot of people say it is haunted. I could imagine anywhere like that, where there was that much agony and so many people murdered before their time, there can be some unhappy spirits. I also hear that the interaction with the so called "other side" gets physical in some parts. I think that'd be a little too much for me. Makes me not want to go at all.



Why Gettysburg? Go to literally any place on this planet(maybe not antartica) and I'm sure many people have died gruesomely right there. Korea has seen war for centuries. I'm sure you are standing right where someone died violently. Whip out that flashlight and see if it dies...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing a ghost doesn't mean ghost are real any more than hearing a voice in your head calling it self God makes God real. It also doesn't make you mad.

Many people share experiences of ghosts in certain places since the human mind reacts to certain surroundings in certain ways.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3044607.stm

Again this is just a natural explanation and since all phenomena revealed have a natural explanation it is the most likely.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explain this.

I was about 16. It was January, late at night, snowing. Freezing cold. My family and I were in our living room, with a fire going. We were talking.

There was an abrupt knocking at our front door. When my dad opened it, there stood our neighbor's kid in the calf deep snow. No jacket. No shoes, no socks. Just pajamas.
He must have been 10-11 at the time. His parents had gone to a party or something, and he was home by himself.

He was crying and shaking.
"Call the police! There's someone in my house!"

Now, we lived in the country, where homes are 300m apart. Driveways were 100m long. So this kid ran over 500m in subzero weather, in the snow, on bare feet.

Anyway, my Dad called the cops, who searched the kid's house. First of all, there were no footprints in the snow around the house, except the boy's.
There were no signs of entry to the house.

But when the police attempted to open the front door of the house, they couldn't. Something was blocking it. The police also noticed that the lights seemed dim, when they approached.
AFter forcing open the door, they were amazed at what they saw. All of the furniture in the room had been overturned, or moved.
The sofa was upside down, and blocking the door. It was the same door that the kid ran out of.

My Dad was curious, and walked over to see what was happening and he described this to me.
He said the place was a mess. The old tornado anecdote was used. He said he noticed the lights were dim, and he flicked the switch. When he did, the lights went out all over the house.

The police got out their flashlights and took an inventory of what they saw. There were huge peices of furniure turned over. Impossible for that little kid to do.

A few minutes later, as they were leaving, the lights came back on.

The kid's parent's were called and when they returned, they told us a few stories about things that seemed odd in that house. They said there were always things that had 'gone missing', or were 'moved'. It always seemed to be toys, or knicknacks on dislplay, so they really never thought twice about it.
Sometimes they found the missing items in their unfinished, unused basement. The only reason they would ever go down there was to fix something. The kid never played down there because it was dirty and dark, and there were no video games.

The house was built in the 1800's, 3 1/2 massive stories, tiled roof that had an intricate pattern. It was gorgeous. A work of art. It had more than 20 rooms, 12 foot ceiling clearance, thick wood trim inside. And a nice big white cross on the peak of the roof. Shocked
The sprawling yard was enclosed by a high iron and brick wall, and iron gate.

It was a nunnery way, way back. A home for unwed mothers, back in the day.

After this incident, the kid was always getting woken up at night. He grew terrified to go to sleep.
Eventually they had to move. New people moved in and they tried to remodel the basement.
To make a long story shorter, they found a child's skeleton buried under the floor in the basement. It dated back more than a century.
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