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being gay and working in korea....
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mspencer1983



Joined: 17 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: being gay and working in korea.... Reply with quote

i know we've all heard a lot about different ethnicities and skin colors and their struggles with finding an employer etc...

but has anyone experienced discrimination for being gay? i have only heard "friend of friend" stories...and was just wondering...is that something koreans can even tell?

im concerned mainly because im teaching adults...and although i dont plan on telling any of my students or korean co-workers i am just wondering if they would be able to tell....im not excessively flamboyant but im sure any socially inclined westerner would know without much investigation.

any insight would be greatly appreciated. thanks


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articulate_ink



Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: Left Korea in 2008. Hong Kong now.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far it's been fine. In my first job (a hagwon) I was out to the director and my Korean co-teachers and they were unfazed by it. I'm in my second year at a small university now and am gradually opening up more about it. My own pattern -- and this seems to reflect what others do as well -- is to come out to the other Westerners at the beginning, then to the Koreans later, if at all. They tend not to pick up on the same cues that fellow Westerners would. Well, some of my students have dropped hints that they know: you can only be nonspecific with pronouns for so long before the light comes on. So far no one has had a problem with it yet. This may be because I'm an expat, therefore exempt from the norms around marriage and so forth. Some of the hard-core Christian psychos may react with less warmth but fortunately I haven't had to deal with that ilk in person. Just on here.
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K-in-C



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Heading somewhere

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: All Gay Men Talk Like Females (high pitched voices) NOT Reply with quote

articulate_ink wrote:
Some of the hard-core Christian psychos may react with less warmth but fortunately I haven't had to deal with that ilk in person. Just on here.
PLEASE do not paint all Christians with the same brush. Would you like people to paint "gay" people with the same brush? Rolling Eyes
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: All Gay Men Talk Like Females (high pitched voices) NO Reply with quote

K-in-C wrote:
articulate_ink wrote:
Some of the hard-core Christian psychos may react with less warmth but fortunately I haven't had to deal with that ilk in person. Just on here.
PLEASE do not paint all Christians with the same brush. Would you like people to paint "gay" people with the same brush? Rolling Eyes


Uh, he didn't : "Some of the hard-core Christian psychos...may" is not "all Christians will."
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Treefarmer



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahaha you're gay
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atomic42



Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahaha you're Christian.
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jay-shi



Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's like anything else in life, you have to walk the line between your public and private life carefully. Trust your instincts and you'll know who and when to tell.

I would advise against coming here and jumping on rooftops screaming in a flaming rage "I'm queer as a three dollar bill! Look at me!" The same way I would advise against people who smoked dope every day back home, making it their mission to tell the Korean world.

Your community is well organized on the net here, and everywhere from what I understand. So you should have no problems seeking sound advice.
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Treefarmer



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atomic42 wrote:
hahaha you're Christian.


no i ain't

you live in gimhae? i'm in hwamyeon i could walk over and kick your arse Very Happy
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atomic42



Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't talking to you, Einstein. Did you see a quote?
But come on over anyway. Laughing
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articulate_ink



Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: Left Korea in 2008. Hong Kong now.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: All Gay Men Talk Like Females (high pitched voices) NO Reply with quote

K-in-C wrote:
articulate_ink wrote:
Some of the hard-core Christian psychos may react with less warmth but fortunately I haven't had to deal with that ilk in person. Just on here.
PLEASE do not paint all Christians with the same brush. Would you like people to paint "gay" people with the same brush? Rolling Eyes


I didn't.

Note the qualifiers:

some of the
hard-core
psychos

This narrows the group considerably.

And it's gay, not "gay".
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mspencer1983



Joined: 17 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so i can assume then by the looks of the responses in here....the problems might be the other foreigners and not necessarily the koreans. great. lol
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My gay friends have no problems. Their social life is none of the schools' business and since they live in Seoul, the school doesn't see them after work.
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atomic42



Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's 2007 and I honestly think people don't really care as long as you don't rub their noses in it. I would probably approach it on a need to know basis, and I can't imagine why any of your colleagues, esp the K ones would ever need to know what you stick where.
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Chris2007



Joined: 20 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were in your shoes I don't think I would tell anyone at work. It seems most Koreans would still view it as a perversion, even if they're nice about it to your face. Generally, people are VERY bad at keeping secrets. They always think it will stop with the next person they tell but of course thats not the way it goes. And if it gets back to the parents then it could cause problems.
I guess it just depends how content you are to keep work life and personal life seperate, although that can be challenging in Korea.
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Treefarmer



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mspencer1983 wrote:
so i can assume then by the looks of the responses in here....the problems might be the other foreigners and not necessarily the koreans. great. lol


i don't think you will have any problem at all. there are gay bars etc in Korea, and i would imagine that same as back home, you might get shit from idiots, probably less than back home tho since there are less idiots here

there are gay bars in big cities, but not being gay i have no idea about the 'scene'
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