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North America is not the "west"
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: North America is not the "west" Reply with quote

Okay this really bugs me, when people from the states/canada refer to NA as the west assuming that the rest of the western world i.e. England, Australia, South Africa, NZ and Ireland are the same.

Noticed this alot in the tipping thread. Posters referring to the tipping culture of the west. Most western countries do not tip unless it is amazing service.

Please, the states/canada = North America, not the "west"
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes it is
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: North America is not the "west" Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
Okay this really bugs me, when people from the states/canada refer to NA as the west assuming that the rest of the western world i.e. England, Australia, South Africa, NZ and Ireland are the same.

Noticed this alot in the tipping thread. Posters referring to the tipping culture of the west. Most western countries do not tip unless it is amazing service.

Please, the states/canada = North America, not the "west"


I am sure you have done the same thing, saying the "west" when it wasn't something that pertains to North America. Everyone does it. Get over it, it's nothing major or personal, and again, I am sure you have done it as I have heard Kiwis do it several times about things that don't happen in America or Canada (I am from Canada).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: North America is not the "west" Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
Okay this really bugs me, when people from the states/canada refer to NA as the west assuming that the rest of the western world i.e. England, Australia, South Africa, NZ and Ireland are the same.

Believe me, we are not including South Africa as being the same. Wink

Two-thirds of all native English speakers are in North America but when we speak of "The West" we are trying to be inclusive of much of non-English speaking Europe as well (France, Italy, Spain, Germany in addition to Britain).
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: North America is not the "west" Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
blackjack wrote:
Okay this really bugs me, when people from the states/canada refer to NA as the west assuming that the rest of the western world i.e. England, Australia, South Africa, NZ and Ireland are the same.

Believe me, we are not including South Africa as being the same. Wink

Two-thirds of all native English speakers are in North America but when we speak of "The West" we are trying to be inclusive of much of non-English speaking Europe as well (France, Italy, Spain, Germany in addition to Britain).


This is quite true, especially the South Africa part Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My little tangent:

I never used to think of Colorado as "the west." Maybe poisoned by too many John Denver songs.
But I was wrong--as evidenced by the multitudes of horse ranches, stetsons, cowboy boots, and (open carry permit) sidearms here.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

East - West

Some use this term to define Europe;

east=Former Soviet Block ad certain neutrals
west=Nato and some neutrals

Other use it to delineate the world;

West - Europe, the America's, Australia

East - Arab World, Persia, Asia and Pacific.

Africa does not seem to fall into either sphere though most of north africa seems to fall into the Arab world.

So I guess it depends on the Euro-centric or whole world view.

THen there is the Mississippi view.
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Carlyles Ghost



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The West is a loose grouping of countries with a generally shared body of thoughts and ideas; it is not a geographical location.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a vague term that means several things, but all point to Caucasion English speaking cultures who love gourmet hot oven baked dinners. The international date line divides the world to identify what is East and West though food and language also shows us that in an upright in your face manner. While Europe used to be considered as far west as you could get and is what scholars traditionally called, "The West", the term loosely defines anywhere settled by European settlers such as America, Australia, and England. It technically is true that Hawaii is as far West as you can go and that America is the West.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of these posters are right, "the west" is an ideological paradigm, not linked to geography at all.

Much current acedemic literature (pols/geog/anth) now refers to a North/South dichotomy to signify 1st vs 3rd world.

This is not perfect either for obvious reasons, but it is an attempt to move away from framing "the east" as the "exotic other" or examining the region in terms of Orientalism, which is a largely colonial construct.

Class over, you may now return to yr beers and soju Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
The international date line divides the world to identify what is East and West.....


The purpose of the International Dateline is to separate +12 hours and −12 hours GMT, not to separate east and west. Nothing whatsoever separates east and west, unlike the equator separating north and south, and the IDL certainly does not have this function.

Quote:
Unlike the parallels of latitude, which are defined by the rotational axis of the Earth (the poles being 90� and the Equator, 0�), the prime meridian (and the opposite 180th meridian at 180� longitude which the International Date Line generally follows) is arbitrary...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Meridian
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: North America is not the "west" Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
Okay this really bugs me, when people from the states/canada refer to NA as the west assuming that the rest of the western world i.e. England, Australia, South Africa, NZ and Ireland are the same.

Noticed this alot in the tipping thread. Posters referring to the tipping culture of the west. Most western countries do not tip unless it is amazing service.

Please, the states/canada = North America, not the "west"


It's part of the West. Most Americans assume other wetserners know we mean this without having to add the "part of the" part.

Peace
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: Re: North America is not the "west" Reply with quote

seoulunitarian wrote:


It's part of the West. Most Americans assume other wetserners know we mean this without having to add the "part of the" part.

Peace


I know America is part of the west; I just don't like it when people make it sound like the west is part of North America. Probably similar to how Canadians don't like to get grouped in with the states or Irish/Scots don't like to get lumped in with the English
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know America is part of the west; I just don't like it when people make it sound like the west is part of North America. Probably similar to how Canadians don't like to get grouped in with the states or Irish/Scots don't like to get lumped in with the English


What you meant to say:

I don't like it when people rub my nose into the fact that the 'West' is the United States and various associated minor states.

The truth only hurts when it should.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
It's a vague term that means several things, but all point to Caucasion English speaking cultures who love gourmet hot oven baked dinners. The international date line divides the world to identify what is East and West though food and language also shows us that in an upright in your face manner. While Europe used to be considered as far west as you could get and is what scholars traditionally called, "The West", the term loosely defines anywhere settled by European settlers such as America, Australia, and England. It technically is true that Hawaii is as far West as you can go and that America is the West.


So where do English speaking Caribbean countries fall under? They certainly aren't Caucasian countries and baked kraft dinners may not placed on a table there...
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