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philipjames
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: My public school is trying to rip me off! |
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At my public school an 'hour' is forty minutes. I got my pay slip today and a lot of overtime wasn't there. I pointed this matter out, and they told me that an 'overtime hour' is sixty minutes, not forty! WTF? At my last elementary school (also GEPIK) an overtime hour was forty minutes. What are they trying to pull? Has anyone else encountered a similar situation? |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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If a teaching hour is 40 minutes, an overtime is 40 minutes (though I have taught for full hours and been paid for a teaching hour). If it doesn't stipulate in your contract that an overtime hour is 60 minutes, you case might hold up at the labor board. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Nope, OT can be up to 60 mins and is determined by each school. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Really. just count yourself lucky that you 22 regular hours are only 40 mins...I don't complain. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, just talk it out with your school. It's not like the money is coming out of anyone's pocket except the princip---- I mean the taxpayer's. |
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wings
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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You might not be able to get more money for the hours already worked. But tell them that in the future, you won't work overtime unless you get paid for a 40 minute "hour". |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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wings wrote: |
You might not be able to get more money for the hours already worked. But tell them that in the future, you won't work overtime unless you get paid for a 40 minute "hour". |
exactly. you are not obligated to work overtime. just say no. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
Nope, OT can be up to 60 mins and is determined by each school. |
At,
This is incorrect. A teaching hour is defined by the terms of your contract. For example, if your contract states that classes are 50 minutes, then your overtime rate is per 50 minute class. What you are experiencing is wrong. I am sorry for that.
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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cubanlord wrote: |
Atavistic wrote: |
Nope, OT can be up to 60 mins and is determined by each school. |
At,
This is incorrect. A teaching hour is defined by the terms of your contract. For example, if your contract states that classes are 50 minutes, then your overtime rate is per 50 minute class. What you are experiencing is wrong. I am sorry for that.
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No, YOU are wrong unless you suddenly override GEPIK.
From the handbook we were given at GEPIK Orientation, page 56-57.
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The term hours: 22 TEACHING classes whether 40 mins (primary schools), 45 mins (middle schools) 50 mins (high schools) according to the 'attention span' of different age group. Overtime payments rewarded altogether with you monthly wage on every 25th.
An hour of 60 mins like we know so for 'extra' classes the school can ask you teach a full 60 mins for an hour's rate if they deem it necessary.
The 'recess' time during the normal curriculum hours are for the kids--not the teachers.
Since it's a single class, which does not particulary require a "recess" time for the kids (ie they are going back home after that anyways), a 60 min class for 'special' single classes could work just fine.
If you do not feel comfortable about it, you may ask the school to reduce it to a 50 min one--10 mins more or less cannot make it too different and you have to be motivated to teach anyways for all. |
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gajackson1

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing I'm not the only one to find that c&p from their own handbook so riddled with errors that I'd never consider working there . . .
(I say that knowing that there are 'good' EPIK/GEPIK schools; they're just as hard to find as a 'good' Wonderland job.)
Regarding the OP - I think the situation is fairly commonplace, and also think that you can probably work out a compromise of some sort. And also you have done no small service by bringing it to the attention of others. (I mean that in all seriousness, knowing full well this topic has come up before.)
When it comes down to the lawl, however, MoL reigns supremo. MoL Labor Act Standards supercede ALL labor contracts/bosses demands in the RoK.
At least, that is the theory.
Regards & best of luck in getting it to where you are happy with it,
G. |
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Bingo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, and when do they inform you that an overtime hour is 60 minutes, and not forty minutes as with regular classes? At orientation. In other words, AFTER you've already signed the contract. Any decent organization would put that information in the contract. But that's not Korea's style. They hit you with the nasty stuff AFTER you've signed up. JUst like my school telling me I can't go home at lunch, AFTER I signed up.
Korea Sparkling. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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My public school contract in the US didn't specify every little thing either. At my school, we could go home at 2:30. At the school down the street, 4:00. Same contract. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
cubanlord wrote: |
Atavistic wrote: |
Nope, OT can be up to 60 mins and is determined by each school. |
At,
This is incorrect. A teaching hour is defined by the terms of your contract. For example, if your contract states that classes are 50 minutes, then your overtime rate is per 50 minute class. What you are experiencing is wrong. I am sorry for that.
me. |
No, YOU are wrong unless you suddenly override GEPIK.
From the handbook we were given at GEPIK Orientation, page 56-57.
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The term hours: 22 TEACHING classes whether 40 mins (primary schools), 45 mins (middle schools) 50 mins (high schools) according to the 'attention span' of different age group. Overtime payments rewarded altogether with you monthly wage on every 25th.
An hour of 60 mins like we know so for 'extra' classes the school can ask you teach a full 60 mins for an hour's rate if they deem it necessary.
The 'recess' time during the normal curriculum hours are for the kids--not the teachers.
Since it's a single class, which does not particulary require a "recess" time for the kids (ie they are going back home after that anyways), a 60 min class for 'special' single classes could work just fine.
If you do not feel comfortable about it, you may ask the school to reduce it to a 50 min one--10 mins more or less cannot make it too different and you have to be motivated to teach anyways for all. |
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At,
I said, "A teaching hour is defined by the terms of your contract." Therefore, if your contract states that 60 minutes is an hour for OT, then it is. You should have read my post more carefully.
Also, I said it is wrong in the sense that it shouldn't be happening to you, not that they are allowed to. Man, you should have READ my post before assuming you new the context of my statements.
Me. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Have you read a standard GEPIK contract, dude? It doesn't spell out teaching hours. Hence, you get stuck with 40 min regular classes and 60 min OT and that IS "a teaching hour [as] defined by the terms of your contract."
If you have the standard GEPIK contract then it is, as I wrote:
"Nope, OT can be up to 60 mins and is determined by each school."
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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^ He's right...  |
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