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PeterDragon



Joined: 15 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Korean humor Reply with quote

So my middle school is putting out their quarterly school paper, and I've been pressed into service as the staff cartoonist. I have to come up with four strips relatively quickly. What do Koreans find funny? Will my usual humor here--- http://www.drunkduck.com/Murky_Waters --- work, or should I give them something entirely new? My main specialties are sarcasm and gallows humor. If that doesn't fly here, what would be better?

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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Re: Korean humor Reply with quote

That's all that flies here. Just show a guy sititng on a thumbtack or some other stupid slapstick crap. And be sure to praise some fallen Korean hero.

PeterDragon wrote:
So my middle school is putting out their quarterly school paper, and I've been pressed into service as the staff cartoonist. I have to come up with four strips relatively quickly. What do Koreans find funny? Will my usual humor here--- http:://www.drunkduck.com/Murky_Waters --- work, or should I give them something entirely new? My main specialties are sarcasm and gallows humor. If that doesn't fly here, what would be better?
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minorthreat



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: in your base, killing your mans

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are quite a few Western humor styles that don't really work in Korea, although I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing or simply due to the language barrier. Sarcasm, irony, and deadpan humor usually fail miserably.
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Sincinnatislink



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not get near sarcasm. Ever.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like Western humor isn't really understood by Koreans. Then again, if you really wanted to suck up, draw a cartoon with Koreans kicking Japanese off of Dokdo or something like that. At least it will appeal to their nationalist tendencies.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Korean humor Reply with quote

PeterDragon wrote:
So my middle school is putting out their quarterly school paper, and I've been pressed into service as the staff cartoonist. I have to come up with four strips relatively quickly. What do Koreans find funny? Will my usual humor here--- http:://www.drunkduck.com/Murky_Waters --- work, or should I give them something entirely new? My main specialties are sarcasm and gallows humor. If that doesn't fly here, what would be better?


I tried to copy and paste your URL and got this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP


That's weird. Probably due to the double colon after http, but still weird that it redirects to a wikipedia site.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davism, Davism. This is where you can comment with any degree of assertion only if you are mithridates-fluent in Korean. For a good example of popular Korean humorous cartoons, I suggest you to check out 츄리닝. I brought that up many times already. It was very big in the Korean internet a while ago. Those who have been singing "Koreans only get slapstick blah" for 50 years.. go to the corner, kneel down and keep your hands up for two hours! Laughing You see as much as you know. If you watch Gag Concert for example, how much do you understand? Do you get all that word play? If not, you might as well just burrow.
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PeterDragon



Joined: 15 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just edited the hyperlink in the first post, although my comic's in my signature too. I'm not surprised that the type of humor I generally use in my strips flops in Korea. One of my co-workers visited my webcomic and printed out several of them. She brought them to me very confused: "Artwork is nice, like animation, but what does it mean?" She's fluent in English, lived in Canada for 5 years, but there was something larger beyond the language that simply didn't make sense to her. Perhaps this is the same reason that NO Koreans seemed to understand Stephen Colbert's obviously tongue-in-cheek, obviously not-actually-spiteful skit about Rain.

I'd do wordplay if I had a betteer command of the Korean language, but I don't. Maybe I'll just draw a bunch of Jim Crow/Al Jolson blackface strips. It seems to be the one variety of Western Humor that has spread to Korea like embarrassing wildfire.

Another question I'll posit---- with their apparent inability to get satire/irony,etc., why is The Simpsons so popular here?


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Col.Brandon



Joined: 09 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one that should appeal to any Korean:

A Japanese man walks into a department store, then the department store collapses on his head and he is killed.

Oh, how they laughed when I told them that one!
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kiwigal



Joined: 16 Mar 2007
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because the Simpson's appeals on multiple levels. It's got enough slapstick for the kids/second language learners or even people who don't get the irony. "Haha Homer's strangling Bart!"

Then it also appeals on another level for those who understand the level of intertextuality and satire.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeterDragon wrote:
Just edited the hyperlink in the first post, although my comic's in my signature too. I'm not surprised that the type of humor I generally use in my strips flops in Korea. One of my co-workers visited my webcomic and printed out several of them. She brought them to me very confused: "Artwork is nice, like animation, but what does it mean?" She's fluent in English, lived in Canada for 5 years, but there was something larger beyond the language that simply didn't make sense to her.
What was the cartoon about? If it's a webcomic, could you let me know the url?

"We are so sophisticated, Koreans are not supposed to get it." You already have a conclusion and one anecdote (okay, maybe two), you are all ready to jump into a simple conclusion. If this is not exactly you, my apologies. To catch thieves, detectives just have to make one step faster.

PeterDragon wrote:
Perhaps this is the same reason that NO Koreans seemed to understand Stephen Colbert's obviously tongue-in-cheek, obviously not-actually-spiteful skit about Rain.
There was an obvious baiting attempt by some yellow journalism but we saw it was called on by many Korean netizens. There were even some threads about it right here on Dave's. Your emphasized "NO" actually made me go "Pffff". Where does all this bravery come from?

PeterDragon wrote:
I'd do wordplay if I had a betteer command of the Korean language, but I don't. Maybe I'll just draw a bunch of Jim Crow/Al Jolson blackface strips. It seems to be the one variety of Western Humor that has spread to Korea like embarrassing wildfire.
No such thing to be called wildfire as far as I can see. I can only remember two cases of blackface act. Bubble Sisters and one episode of 집중토론 in Gag Concert that was recently brought up here. Bubble Sisters was a nutcase but knowing the context, the one 집중토론 episode has much room for different views. One of the comedians on that stage became not only the hiphop black guy once but also a white French woman, a Manchurian, just whatever is out there. Looking non-Korean and still having a funny Korean name is the point. No big need to project western guilt there.

PeterDragon wrote:
Another question I'll posit---- with their apparent inability to get satire/irony,etc., why is The Simpsons so popular here?
Simply because they get it with good translation? Come on now, satire or irony is not something enigmatic. 풍자, 반어, 비꼬기, 빈정대기... Koreans use them like nothing special in their own contexts.

Putting aside your snobby attitude, and check these cartoons out if you can understand Korean.

츄리닝 (2 pages for each episode.)

나비효과

야마꼬

There is a reason why I think a person like Mithridates is one in a million. His perspectives and insights incorporated with his superb linguistic abilities are like no other.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's still no excuse for that bearded blonde knob-end. That is never going to be funny.
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PeterDragon



Joined: 15 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggyji wrote:
What was the cartoon about? If it's a webcomic, could you let me know the url?


The particular gags my co-worker read ran from this one: http://www.drunkduck.com/Murky_Waters/index.php?p=245635 to this one: http://www.drunkduck.com/Murky_Waters/index.php?p=259076

She loved this other comic though, where the humor is much much different, and far less can be lost in translation: http://www.geocities.com/yourcomichere/Pig/pig1.html

You may be right about my perceptions on the Colbert flap being skewed, for which I apologize. I stand by my criticism of blackface though. I've encountered blackface intermittently while channel surfing, I've seen it in a local venue stage act, and I get the impression it's a recurring staple here. I have little cultural relativism when I see extreme physical caricatures of any race, and the same goes for the continued acceptance of slantsquint Asian characters in many currently running North American comic strips.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean humor Reply with quote

PeterDragon wrote:
So my middle school is putting out their quarterly school paper, and I've been pressed into service as the staff cartoonist. I have to come up with four strips relatively quickly. What do Koreans find funny? Will my usual humor here--- http://www.drunkduck.com/Murky_Waters --- work, or should I give them something entirely new? My main specialties are sarcasm and gallows humor. If that doesn't fly here, what would be better?


Yeesh...seriously, just draw poop or something.

I showed my kids/coworkers some Perry Bible Fellowship, and, despite being a nearly 80% visual comic, they still barely got some of them.
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God, I love the PBF. Wish that dude would update more often. It is an example of very dry/satiric and DARK humor though. The world ends or someone dies painfully in almost every episode. Maybe Koreans aren't as amused by violence as Westerners are. Hard to say though, a lot of my students like Happy Tree Friends, which is nothing but violence.
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