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Typhoon
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 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: Roh Gets 'Third-World Treatment' in Pyongyang |
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Good article from the Chosun Ilbo on Roh and his vacation to the North.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200710/200710040015.html
Roh Gets 'Third-World Treatment' in Pyongyang
President Roh Moo-hyun is being honored with a level of protocol North Korean leader Kim Jong-il reserves for leaders from the developing world, former senior North Korean officials said Wednesday.
A former senior North Korean official who defected to the South said, "If he were to give the highest level of protocol to a foreign leader, Kim Jong-il would go to the airport to welcome him, visit him at Baekhwawon State Guesthouse on the day of his arrival, and attend a dinner in his honor at the Mokrangwan restaurant in the evening." <br>
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When former Chinese president Jiang Zemin was in Pyongyang for a three-day visit in September 2001, Kim did just that. Russian President Vladimir Putin was accorded the same level of protocol during his two-day stay in Pyongyang in July 2000.
Chinese President Hu Jintao received especially cordial treatment during a three-day stay in Pyongyang in October 2005. In addition to visiting the state guesthouse on the day of his arrival, Kim delivered a speech at a dinner in Hu's honor at the Mokrangwan restaurant. When South Korea�s former president Kim Dae-jung visited, Kim Jong-il also treated him more cordially, greeting him at the airport and giving him a lift in his own sedan together to the Baekhwawon State Guesthouse.
Leaders of developing countries are normally welcomed at the airport by Kim Yong-nam, the president of the Supreme People's Assembly, and hold formal sessions with SPA President Kim at Mansudae Assembly Hall.
Kim Jong-il normally visits such leaders at the Baekhwawon State Guesthouse the following day and does not usually attend the gala dinner. On the two occasions when Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri visited North Korea, she was met at the airport by Kim Yong-nam and met with Kim Jong-il the following day. When Vietnamese President Tran Duc Luong visited North Korea in February 2000. Kim did not visit him at the state guesthouse until two days after his arrival.
Despite hostile relations between Washington and Pyongyang, Kim Jong-il accorded warm hospitality to former U.S. secretary of state Madeleine Albright in October 2000. While he did not meet her at the airport, he paid her a surprise visit at the state guesthouse on the day of her arrival. In a gesture of hospitality, Kim accompanied Albright to the mass gymnastics performance. he also attended the dinner in her honor at the Mokrangwan restaurant.
Roh is getting a lower-level treatment all round, except that Kim welcomed him at the plaza of the April 25 House of Culture on Tuesday.
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Hmmmm ... interesting.
On the surface alone it might lead one to wonder who really might need who the most 
Decisions, decisions. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| NK doesn't quite get SK is no longer the little brother in the relationship. It's still trying to communicate that in any reunified Korea, it expects to be the senior. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| NK doesn't quite get it's no longer the little brother in the relationship. It's still trying to communicate that in any reunified Korea, it expects to be the senior. |
One thing that's clear is that the economy in the north is poised to potentially "TAKE OFF".
A major problem that remains is the cult-like despotism & restriction on basic freedoms, movement, speech & the like. While the south maintains its own benevolent brand of totalitarianism, the people of the DP'R'K are equally entitled to a democratic constitution.
China & its one-party facist dictatorship is another case in point.
As the JUNTA in Myanmar has once again recently shown, enshrinement of citizens' rights & freedoms is bad for the bloody business of tyranny.
When will long-separated family members be reunited?
Wonder how the exact 'details' of this most recent 'agreement' read?
Anyone find an English copy / quality & detailed synopsis?
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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NK doesn't quite get SK is no longer the little brother in the relationship. It's still trying to communicate that in any reunified Korea, it expects to be the senior.
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I disagree with your first sentence. I completely agree with your second sentence. As I see it, Roh has agreed for 5 years that your second sentence is the correct interpretation and is also his desire. |
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Typhoon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Edited for wrong info.
I posted it in the thread on Roh wanting to broker a peace deal. The translation is from the Chosun Ilbo |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| One thing that's clear is that the economy in the north is poised to potentially "TAKE OFF". |
Really? Rusting factories, rusting power grid, poisoned farm land, mountains stripped of wood, a population without a clue how a modern capitalist society works. NK has some natural resources and a cheap labor pool. But it seems to me NK is going to require billions and billions of dollars of investment just to bring it up to third world status. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| NK doesn't quite get it's no longer the little brother in the relationship. It's still trying to communicate that in any reunified Korea, it expects to be the senior. |
One thing that's clear is that the economy in the north is poised to potentially "TAKE OFF".
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Clear to who?
1. no infrastructure
2. no skilled labor
Again, clear to who? You are in your own dream world again. |
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TexasPete
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| One thing that's clear is that the economy in the north is poised to potentially "TAKE OFF". |
Really? Rusting factories, rusting power grid, poisoned farm land, mountains stripped of wood, a population without a clue how a modern capitalist society works. NK has some natural resources and a cheap labor pool. But it seems to me NK is going to require billions and billions of dollars of investment just to bring it up to third world status. |
Yeah, I think it would probably take somewhere in the neighborhood of trillions of dollars and 15-25 years to modernize that place. I think Unification would bankrupt the South. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Analogies can be made to East & West Germany.
From what i recall the West took a big economic hit following unification
Can you hear that potentially huge sluuuuuuuuurping sound?
Lots of foreign investors likely itching to invest in the DPRK's slave labour pool & infrastucture.
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jinju
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Analogies can be made to East & West Germany. |
No, they cant. See, this is why you are a joke. if you cant see the BIG differences between E Germany and N Korea, how can you see all those conspiracy theories.
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| From what i recall the West took a big hit following unification. |
The West took a big hit. SK will take a KO punch. The differences are huge:
1. E Germany had a much much better level of infrastructure. E Germany was perhaps the best off country in the Communist world. After Yugoslavia.
2. E Germans were living under a communist regime but they had full knowldge of what it was like in the West.
3. The two Germanies never fought a war that killed millions of people.
1. NK has no infrastructure. Roads, bridges, electric grid, factories, airports, cities. Everything is falling apart. if E Germany was the best off country in the communist world, NK is by far the poorest. They make Vietnam look like a G7 power.
2. The NORKS have no clue about the world. Thats a problem due to he fact that they will be really pissed off when they find out what its like elsewhere. Ofcourse only after they go through massive collective shock. That will be followed by a massive exodus to China/SK. None of which happened in E Germany.
3. The memories of the war are still huge. Theres a massive national trauma there.
And what about W Germany vs S Korea. W Germany was the #3 economy in the world at that time. A huge industrial power. You cant even compare SKorea now with W Germany then.
Again, all VERY obvious differences. Even a dunce would see them.
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| Lots of foreign investors likely itching to build up the DPRK's slave labour pool infrastucture. |
really? Who? SK? Who else is itching to get into NK? And even if that were so, do you mean to tell us that economies TAKE OFF because a few Nike factories are built there? Seriously, what grasp of economics do you have? Looks like a grade 1 level to me. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Analogies can be made to East & West Germany. |
No, they cant. See, this is why you are a joke. if you cant see the BIG differences between E Germany and N Korea ... how can you see all those conspiracy theories. |
Analogies? Sure they can.
Also, 1) why are you assuming i can't see the big differences?
2) Why are you assuming to know which precise analogies i was referring to?
Tell us, what analogies was i referring to? Which specific ones?
Also, why are so seemingly confrontational & adversarial? 
RU a Satanist Jinju? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Analogies can be made to East & West Germany. |
No, they cant. See, this is why you are a joke. if you cant see the BIG differences between E Germany and N Korea ... how can you see all those conspiracy theories. |
Analogies? Sure they can.
Also, 1) why are you assuming i can't see the big differences?
2) Why are you assuming to know which precise analogies i was referring to?
Tell us, what analogies was i referring to? Which specific ones?
Also, why are so seemingly confrontational & adversarial?
RU a Satanist Jinju? |
Im confrontational because you are talking out of your arse again. The ONLY analogy between the two cases is that they are countries divided. Other than that any attempt to create an analogy falls flat on its face...like your conspiracy theories. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Which conspiracies?
As we should likely try & maintain a clear focus here, if you even care to elaborate, please consider responding on another thread.
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jinju
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Which conspiracies might you be referring to? |
The ones you spew here on a daily basis |
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