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Drug Testing: Would you submit?
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Would you submit to being drug-tested?
Yes. I'm clean and I want to keep my job.
38%
 38%  [ 33 ]
Yes. Anything to wind up the Canucks.
13%
 13%  [ 12 ]
Yes. I hate stoners and would welcome fewer job rivals.
10%
 10%  [ 9 ]
No. I'm clean, but this job just isn't worth that humiliation.
23%
 23%  [ 20 ]
NEVER! (I'm a liar. I'd actually submit, but I want to grandstand here on Dave's)
5%
 5%  [ 5 ]
No. Arrest, fines, imprisonment & deportation scare me. I'll quit before they nab me.
8%
 8%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 86

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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:51 am    Post subject: Drug Testing: Would you submit? Reply with quote

Assume:

Korean Immigration law required it.

Only foreign teachers were subject to it.

Your employer would pay for it.




A poll for this thread: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=66626
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the fact that it would apply only to foreign teacher's, I'd say no. Game over, time to move on.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do it, but then I'd be ostracized as "the square" or "the potential narc" by all my pot-smoking Korean co-workers.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
Given the fact that it would apply only to foreign teacher's, I'd say no. Game over, time to move on.

Right. I'd considered adding more options ("Yes, but only if all teachers, K & F, were subject to it" or "Yes, but only if all waegooks had to drop their drawers", "Yes, but...", etc.), though the list was already getting a little unwieldy and I refuse to eliminate any of my stupid-joke options.

So Qin, was it the "only to foreigners" or "only to teachers" limitation that you'd object to?
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd never smoke herb in Korea, but I can't say the same for when i'm on vacation.

Marijuana stays in your system for about a month, so one can concievably smoke up in Cambodia and then come back to Korea and test positive a few weeks later. That's b.s.

Plus I really haven't looked for it, but I would think that drugs are quit hard to find in the ROK. Thus a law like this would be yet another example reactionary misguided policy by a government that wants to be the Hub of Asia.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see no problem with drug testing in any industry and would do it without hesitation.
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

never. as long as i'm sober at work, it's none of anybody's damned business.

besides you can't peetest for ridiculous alcohol abuse, and that's the main problem in this country.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberscheisse wrote:
never. as long as i'm sober at work, it's none of anybody's damned business.

besides you can't peetest for ridiculous alcohol abuse, and that's the main problem in this country.

So then if what Superhero mentioned ever came to pass -- drug-testing in every industry -- you'd still vote NEVER! and... become self-employed! Idea

I just read that in the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, the US Congress authorised (but did not require) states to impose mandatory drug testing as a prerequisite to receiving state welfare assistance. If, as has been explained to me so often on Dave's, alcohol is a more serious problem than dope, then it seems they ought to be giving the po' folks a breathaliser test instead. Whuzzat? They oughtn't be testing the po' folks for any substance abuse? Huh? Not just the po' folks but anyone? Dood, what kinda half-assed war on drugs do you want??? Cool
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yesnoyesyesno



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would do it in a second. i personally like korea's drug laws. i hate drugs and look at drug dealers/ users with disgust, instinctively. no you are not cool because you smoke pot/crack you FOOL
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's the fool?

When you lump crack with marijuana it shows that you have know idea what you're talking about. Both are completely different drugs.

I don't know or have heard of a single person dying from pot, but the same cannot be said for cocain or for that matter alcohol which kills so many more lives than your so called illegal drugs.

Bloody hypocracy makes me sick.

Really man, you are so misinformed and are really limiting your perspective on things. You're ignorant and as a result a part of the problem.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Qinella wrote:
Given the fact that it would apply only to foreign teacher's, I'd say no. Game over, time to move on.

Right. I'd considered adding more options ("Yes, but only if all teachers, K & F, were subject to it" or "Yes, but only if all waegooks had to drop their drawers", "Yes, but...", etc.), though the list was already getting a little unwieldy and I refuse to eliminate any of my stupid-joke options.

So Qin, was it the "only to foreigners" or "only to teachers" limitation that you'd object to?


If they decided to drug test all teachers, Korean included, I would comply. But singling out foreigners would cause me to depart (or engage in super secret stealthy subterfuge).

Also, I should mention to yesnoyesnoyesno that George Bush called today: he said to tell you he wants his black-and-white, elementary view of the world back.
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re:cursive



Joined: 04 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tough question...

I'd say that if I was still in my home country and became aware of the fact that a drug test was necessary it might turn me off the whole idea of coming to Korea. Not because I would fail the test, but because I would see it is a negative mark on the country/culture I was considering moving to. Especially considering that at that point I really did not know too much about Korean culture and Korea was by no means the only option for working overseas. I'd consider it a bad sign if any country tested one group of people for something so inconsequential. If they had mandatory tests to check that foreign teachers regularly washed behind their ears I'd feel the same way.

Now that I am here I'm not really sure what I'd do...I might submit to keep my job but would definetly have problems with the concept.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For teachers working with kids....sure.


As for Korea's drug laws...I kind of agree with them.

Lumping pot with crack is indeed silly but both are still drugs. You may not die from pot use but you sure can ruin your life with it.....
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Puts me in a bind. Dead set against the state doing it, but I support the right of employers to hire the kind of people they want and if that means drug free, so be it. However, I think there is more of a risk from alcoholics working with kids (and god knows there are a heap of them here) than potheads.
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