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[Yu_Bum_suk]

So once again we see threads that point out indefensible racism disappear. I had really been looking forward to more useful banmal phrases, but perhaps I'll just use Korean swear words and threatening gestures for rude Korean kids I encounter in the future.

At any rate, for those who missed it, yes Korean children often display a level of rudeness towards foreigners that is unsurpassed anywhere in the world. It's too bad that the vigilent netizens probably didn't have time to translate that phrase and put it on Naver.

And mods would you please just for once say who is pulling the strings?

[Bramble]

Maybe it was the anti-Japanese stuff? I saved some of the other replies and found them helpful, but insulting a kid by telling him his father was Japanese is pretty juvenile.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Yeah, as much as I find complaining non-stop about trivial things to be a waste of time, I also don't think threads should be deleted unless there is exceptional reason for it (i.e. outright racist remarks - which is relatively rare here, it's mostly just whining - personal abuse, or shit like posting the personal details of other posters without permission). Of course, this should all happen in the OP, otherwise just delete and ban the poster in question, not the whole thread.

[Bondrock]

[Yu_Bum_suk]

Fortunately I saved some that (I think) Spinoza had helpfully provided:

인간 처음으로 봐?
first time you've seen a human?

뭘 쳐다 봐?
What are you staring at?

쳐다보지 말아라
Don't stare!

내가 너를 알 수가 없구나
I don't even know you!

너 참 한심하구나!
You're pathetic!

입 닫아라!
shut your mouth!

[sojourner1]

Kids acting rude and disobedient is simply is a lack of values and ethics learned through discipline or hard love, because parents and everyone else are too busy focusing on their work, money, business, and materialistic things they so love and worship. I don't tell them to shut up, speak banmal, or hit them, but many of them sure need a spanking which is not appropriate for a foreign teacher to do. Discipline just is not appropriate for foreigners to conduct though you can scare the kids into knowing right from wrong, but takes ungodly amounts of effort and leads you to mental burnout. Speaking rudely back to them is not a good thing to do either as that just teaches them to further misbehave. Sometimes I just go off, because I get tired of all the stupidity again and again. Often they know right from wrong, but refuse to act right which leads many of you to speak harshly, in Korea in attempt to get listened to.

It's not a foreign teachers place to instill values in Korean children, it's the Koreans job to do that. Trying to teach them values and how to act only create more animosities aimed at you, but I can only stand so much. When they piss me off, I snap at them, yell at them, stand them face to the wall, but I know that young um's in English classes are confused, cultured shocked, and resisting what they don't understand. I don't like teaching, because of all the rudeness, negativity, and animosities the children display. I have tried and tried to positively influence them, but nothing works, they need someone raising them for them to be healthy upstairs. I just don't know how to get them to sit down, listen, participate, and behave well. They think and move so quickly in hyper speed and all bombard me at the same time and I am just getting fed up after telling them, one at a time while saying rude garbage constantly, thousands of times this past year. It's a daily struggle I don't look forward to and I am glad I just have mere weeks to go and be done with it.

If you can get past this big problem or can manage it well, then you got one fun and easy job in Korea. I often look back to my childhood memories and never would had acted so badly, because I got paddled and scared out of my mind anytime I stepped out of line in disrespecting adults. Discipline is not about inflicting pain, because you are mad at the kids, it's about teaching a kid right from wrong and what is expected behavior which is necessary to have successfully functioning kids and society. These kids know we can't or don't have the capacity to do anything so they are rude which does piss me the hell off each and every day.

[bjonothan]

It sounds like it has really gotten to you mate (sojourner1). It took me a fair while to my classes where I wasn't having to shout or even punish the kids any more. Good luck in the last stretch.

Korean kids are like any kids in most ways, they will get away with what they can. I reckon Aussie kids might be a bit better behaved, but I think Korean parents suck at controlling their kids. Most parents in asia actually.

[MarionG]

Where are you guys finding these rude kids? I haven't had a single kid be rude to me, and my students, while certainly not angels, are never rude and basically well behaved.

But I guess if you're looking for rudeness, you'll find it...

[Typhoon]

I was just looking through a grade one text book and had to laugh at some of the things that it taught. One rule that stood out was that the kids shouldkeep what is theirs and don't share it with anybody. My wife (Korean) just shook her head and said, "And you wonder why Koreans are so selfish and rude. You see we are taught "manners" in school and these are manners are how to be as selfish and inward as possible." She has been obviously very jaded by the Korean school system, but she has a good point. Koreans learn what is seen as poor manners from an early age and from people who can't be wrong (their parents and teachers) according to Confusion (SP???) society. This is a big reason why my wife does not want our daughter to be schooled in the Korean public school system.

[indytrucks]

To the OP: the premise of the original thread was trying to collect a phrasebook of rude things to say to children, in the snarkiest way possible, as you asked for the banmal forms. And you wonder why it got pulled?

[OiGirl]

Every teacher should be modelling values in the classroom. But if you are just an "assistant teacher" in the classroom, I guess it's fine to stand back and let the kids be rude to you.

[Smee]

I saw about the first six pages of the thread, and I posted on the first page, so I didn't notice any anti-Japanese stuff. I also didn't notice the part about trying to force values on Korean children. Being polite to elders and teachers are Korean values, and ones that ought to be extended to foreigners in the country. I don't think anyone could argue with that, and that was the point a few of us were making. I think the huge "why can't parents teach their kids not to be rude" thread is being confused with "banmal phrases for rude children" thread.

Okay, come on . . . I know there are some people here who complain about complainers, but the OP, I, and others raised some valid points. If some obvious trolls got in, or if there was grievous race-baiting, then lock it or delete the objectionable posts. But to stick it in the mod forum with no explanation is ridiculous.

As I said before with other topic dealing with something not on Tour2Korea.com---blackface, the racist bike race---it seems like it's perfectly okay for anti-foreign trolls to come on here and raise hell, or for eslcafe spammers to run amock for days, but a lot of these types of threads are getting pulled. I didn't see any race-baiting or blatant racism. Issues like this and the others I mentioned are relevant to foreigners living in Korea, which is why they were posted in the first place.

I know somebody will come on here and say "you're adults, moderate yourself." I agree, and it makes me laugh to consider some of the biggest losers on this forum are grown-ass-adults somehow managing to live and work here. But, as I said, the thread had a lot of interesting and relevant points, and if it did get out of hand, I think users here woudl appreciate a temporary lock rather than an outright removal.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[The Lemon]

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