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Freakstar



Joined: 29 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Plastic surgery in Korea Reply with quote

I hear Koreans talk about plastic surgery as if they were getting their ears pierced. One of my cousins just got "double eyelid" surgery about a month ago and everyone in her familly and all her friends are congratulating her cuz her eyes came out well. It seems like getting double eyelid surgery is like a rite of passage for a Korean girl in Korea. If you're not born with double eyelids, unless you can't afford it, you must get the surgical procedure done. There's even a guy in my office that wants to get it done during his one week vacation next month...none of the guys in my office tease him about it.

Nose jobs are also becoming increasingly common. I was out with a group of Koreans over the weekend and the girls were talking about getting nose jobs (right in front of the guys) as if they were going to get their hair dyed. I presumed that most of them had already gotten their eye jobs since they all had double eyelids from what I could tell.

I'm all for women bettering their appearances but I think plastic surgery in Korea has gone a bit overboard.
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The_Eyeball_Kid



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And so...?
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Freakstar



Joined: 29 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Eyeball_Kid wrote:
And so...?


So?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why Say No to Cosmetic Surgery?
By Kim Heung-sook, Korea Times (October 5, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/opi_view.asp?newsIdx=11407&categoryCode=169
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Earlier this year, Ms. Oem Hyun-shin, a Ph.D. student at Seoul's Kyunghee University, made headlines with her report that 61.5 percent of women between the ages of 25 and 29 have undergone cosmetic plastic surgery.

In a survey of 810 women over 17 years of age in Seoul and the adjoining Gyeonggi areas, she said 47 percent had been under knife for beauty reasons.

During the Chuseok festival, many plastic surgeons worked harder than normal work days as not only young adults but many men and women in their 50s and 60s wanted to take advantage of the long holidays for cosmetic surgery.


Double-Eyelids
By Mi Soon Burzlaff, Korea Times (April 24, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/special_view.asp?newsIdx=1729&categoryCode=177
Quote:
She says, "How old are you?"
"I'm twenty-eight."
"Are you married?"
"No, not yet."
"You better hurry! You are running out of time." If I hear this one more time,...

She begins to examine my face closely, and I feel weird. She says, "You are pretty. You have a small face. That's very important."

I feel self-conscious and don't say a word. "But... if you just got the double-eyelid surgery, you would be much prettier."


Republic of Plastic Surgery
Chung Sung-hee, Editorial Writer, Donga.com (August 22, 2006)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006082255668

Knockout Looks Often Carry Heavy Price Tag
by Park Hyong-ki, Korea Times (December 19, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=3038244
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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just read the OP's thread about Korean women dating foreigners, and I can't help think the OP wants to judge everyone and everything all the time.
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newton kabiddles



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to have a tattoo removed. I haven't got an official estimate yet, but people tell me it will be about 2 million.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastic surgery in Korea Reply with quote

Freakstar wrote:
It seems like getting double eyelid surgery is like a rite of passage for a Korean girl in Korea.

For most, it's a gift from their parents during the school vacation between high school and uni.

newton kabiddles wrote:
I'm going to have a tattoo removed. I haven't got an official estimate yet, but people tell me it will be about 2 million.

Figure the cost to be 10 times the cost of getting the tattoo in the first place. Roughly.
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mspencer1983



Joined: 17 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastic surgery in Korea Reply with quote

Freakstar wrote:
I hear Koreans talk about plastic surgery as if they were getting their ears pierced. One of my cousins just got "double eyelid" surgery about a month ago and everyone in her familly and all her friends are congratulating her cuz her eyes came out well. It seems like getting double eyelid surgery is like a rite of passage for a Korean girl in Korea. If you're not born with double eyelids, unless you can't afford it, you must get the surgical procedure done. There's even a guy in my office that wants to get it done during his one week vacation next month...none of the guys in my office tease him about it.

Nose jobs are also becoming increasingly common. I was out with a group of Koreans over the weekend and the girls were talking about getting nose jobs (right in front of the guys) as if they were going to get their hair dyed. I presumed that most of them had already gotten their eye jobs since they all had double eyelids from what I could tell.

I'm all for women bettering their appearances but I think plastic surgery in Korea has gone a bit overboard.


you say all this like theyre talking about murdering someone in front of others?!? LOL

god forbid they could ACTUALLY TALK ABUOT PLASTIC SURGERY?! omg no it's so offensive. and why would the "guys make fun of him" for wanting double eyelids...?? are you just upset cause its socially unacceptable to make fun of a guy for wanting to look good.

i think the obsession with appearance in korea is very refreshing, vainity is not necessarily the most healthy thing in the world. but at least koreans are vain and open about it...and i like how guys take care of themselves just as much as girls...

as opposed to north america where everyone is ashmed of their appearance and WANT to improve it....but also feel ashamed of plastic surgery because it's "BAD" cause as a guy i always felt like wanting to look good in north america was something to be ashamed of....its a weird double eged sword.

if they want to get a procedure done, so what...it's not your body so shut up
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't see why the OP should care. Does it matter if it makes them happy? The way I see it, it's all good as long as they don't take it as far as some of the rich housewives I've seen driving around. A few weeks ago, for example, my wife and I just gasped in shock when we saw the face of the 40-something year-old lady driving the luxury car that stopped next to ours while we were in traffic (I want to say she was a housewife, but she gave off more of the high-class prostitute/gangster's concubine vibe. We were in Ittaewon, after all). She wasn't unattractive. In fact, I'd bet she would look great on TV...but from 3 meters away her face looked totally unnatural. She had a lot of work done, and it showed.
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in a middle school and many girls - 40% to 50% at a guess - have had it done. This is in Seoul's 2nd or 3rd poorest district too - so in Gangnam the percentage will be much higher.

Middle school girls (and younger) going under the knife to gain artificial foreign features is alarming and despicable in my opinion.

I do think the eyelids look great on some girls and women though.

Food for thought: Koreans love round eyes and high noses but many places are not inclined to accept foreign blood donations. Blood donations are vitally important, life and death, and blood is blood.

Very, very dim-witted people if you ask me.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm of 2 minds about plastic surgery. On one hand, I think the people who rail against are making a somewhat artificial distinction between plastic surgery and other types of self beautification. People go to outrageous lengths to look good aside from surgery. Braces, earrings, moles removed, zit creams, expensive clothes, thousands of hours in the shower and in front of the mirror. Plastic surgery is just an extension of this, different perhaps in degree but not qualitatively different. Also, nobody scorns somebody for having a cleft lip or someother birth defect corrected. Because we've indentified these as defects which deserve our sympathy and not scorn. But can't general, ordinary ugliness bring as much scorn and heartache as an identifiable birth defect? Who are we to say these people shouldn't correct it? They correct it because of our faults and our shallowness as much as theirs.

On the other hand, yes, the vanity in this country is f*cking beyong belief, and I come from America, so that's saying quite a bit. Now, I'm no idealist. I don't think we'll ever get to the point where appearances don't matter. Because if appearances didn't matter, the human species never would've made through all these thousands of years. But that said, we managed to find each other attractive and f*ck each other all through prehistory without all the makeup and plastic surgery and whatnot. It just seems like as the years go by, the standards get higher and higher and the pressure gets more intense. It's like an arms race. These kids with their double eyelids are like that Dr. Suess story, The Star-Bellied Sneetches, or whatever it was. Do all these pretty faces on TV and in magazines make people feel good? I've never felt anything but alienation. Even when I'm watching some hot girl prance around, selling me some ice tea or a new boiler, and I'm supposed to get a b*ne from it because I'm a man, all I feel is a slight sense of loathing. There's something cruel and selfish about getting plastic surgery. It's like you wanna have power over people, like you wanna get the upper hand.

But, anyways, my point is that the overall problem is obsessive vanity and plastic surgery is an extension of that. But we can't single out plastic surgery as something uniquely revolting.
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mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i recently had some"passport" size photos taken for my residency card. had them taken at homeplus.

i was stunned.

the pics were airbrushed. oh, yeah, i look ruggedly handsome before airbrushing but that they airbrush pictures for legal documents is fascinating.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
i recently had some"passport" size photos taken for my residency card. had them taken at homeplus.

i was stunned.

the pics were airbrushed. oh, yeah, i look ruggedly handsome before airbrushing but that they airbrush pictures for legal documents is fascinating.


haha, yeah i noticed this too! but i didn't mind all that much..
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merochi



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont know if it is entirely because one wants to have foreigner features that one would get certain procedures done. it could be that a lid surgery helps open up the eye and gives someone a softer appearance, not to look "less asian" and more "anglo-saxon"

the rate and amount of surgery done in korea does seem crazy, but seeing how i have known people in the states talk openly these days about botox, breast augmentations, and the like-it doesn't seem like it is such a vast difference in the conversations when it comes to surgery between here and the states....if is just more accepted and common that people actually go under the knife here in korea in my experience...but perhaps this is also due to how conjested and small korea is compared to someplace like the us?
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VanIslander



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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
...a somewhat artificial distinction between plastic surgery and other types of self beautification. People go to outrageous lengths to look good aside from surgery. Braces,.. zit creams, expensive clothes, thousands of hours in the shower and in front of the mirror. Plastic surgery is just an extension of this, different perhaps in degree but not qualitatively different.

It is qualitatively different!

Cutting one's body to simply look better is entirely different than showers and clothes!

Though I grant you mole removal is on par with other kinds of surgery.

Earrings and tattoos are adding things to one's body, so it's not like admitting there was some lack or deficiency before.

Plastic surgery involves a big hit to one's self concept. I don't get it at a base level. If I was born a hunchback I'd probably feel differently about it. But I think it's just sad (in the sense of pathetic) when I hear of people getting plastic surgery for no apparent reason, where it's not obviously needed.

Still... It's a free country, here and back home, so if you got the money, mutilate your body however you want.

billybrobby wrote:
...On the other hand, yes, the vanity in this country is f*cking beyong belief, and I come from America, so that's saying quite a bit.

Indeed, Koreans may worship New York but they have more in common with California.
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