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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: Lee Myung Bak: License needed for K teachers to speak Englis |
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This warrants its own thread....
Lee Myung Bak went to the media and said that, if he were elected, he would push for a special certification/license for Korean teachers to speak "English-only" in English class.
This guy is complaining about what we've all been complaining about for years: Korean teachers aren't teaching English in English.
In other words, this would either be required of Korean teachers, or they would be required to get this certification/license in order to make a higher pay grade or teach certain classes specified as English only. Their English classes would have to be in English. One can only imagine the uproar this is causing with your local communist Korean Teachers Union.
He also went another route with this, and wants ... get this... KOREAN LANGUAGE classes for Korean students to be taught IN ENGLISH.
How the heck he'd expect #2 to be pulled-off, I have no idea. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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He also went another route with this, and wants ... get this... KOREAN LANGUAGE classes for Korean students to be taught IN ENGLISH. |
That's just plain wonky....guy must be loony! 
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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spliff wrote: |
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He also went another route with this, and wants ... get this... KOREAN LANGUAGE classes for Korean students to be taught IN ENGLISH. |
That's just plain ridicules....guy must be loony!  |
That's what the lady told me. She thinks he's grandstanding.
I see it as a typical Korean ploy to overextend the asking in the hopes that they'll meet somewhere in-between: English classes in English, and #2 being dropped.
If he only asked for #1, perhaps he thinks he wouldn't get it. But if he asks for 2 big things.... maybe they'd compromise with just one, or the lesser of two evils. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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One of my adult students today said a presidential hopeful (forget the name) was arguing that Korean history should be taught in English. Did anyone else hear this? Sounds absurd to me, but maybe there's a reason for it I'm not aware of... |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Seems he's showing he's gung ho about English which is a very good thing for you and I. |
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xtchr
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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They also have licences to drive, but does that mean they can? |
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garykasparov
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: |
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This is another politician promising something to the Korean people to gain votes.
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Hyeon Een

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Well if they really really want to be bi-lingual, it isn't loony.
In India all subjects in middle and high school were taught in English until recently. This is still the case in the majority of the schools. This fluency in English has helped India earn a lot of money the last few years.
In my school in Britain their was a bi-lingual program in which the kids enrolled were taught all subjects in either French, German or Japanese in order to make them bi-lingual.
I think rolling it out across Korea will be impossible though due to a lack of teachers capable of carrying it out. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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cdninkorea wrote: |
One of my adult students today said a presidential hopeful (forget the name) was arguing that Korean history should be taught in English. Did anyone else hear this? Sounds absurd to me, but maybe there's a reason for it I'm not aware of... |
Why does it sound absurd? It's immersion. (Not really, but it's an attempt to go that direction. Makes scads of sense, though I would probably use a class like math, science or world history.) |
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ddeubel

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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I"m not sure if the label "immersion" would apply. More the limited CBI, content based instruction.
But all nations that have reached successful levels of English language fluency penetration have gone this road. Makes sense along with more expenditure in the public realm on English service/media access/use.
I really think a beneficial and cost effective way to increase the English fluency and effectiveness of Korean English teachers is not only the early retirement offered these days (to get younger teachers in the classrooms, who are generally more fluent and less resistant to communicative methods) but rather more money.
I'm always surprised to meet teachers in schools who speak great English yet they aren't teaching English. There simply is no incentive, in particular, monetary. A bonus for English language instructors, a significant one, would be a welcome and constructive change. You get what you pay for......everywhere in the world.
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bassexpander
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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All I know is that the Japanese have been teaching all subjects in English at several unis for a while, and the Korean unis are worried about being outdone. Too many students (2 of my former HS students) are now at Waseda in the all-English uni program. This has alarmed Korean unis, and the bigger ones have already followed suit.
It has now trickled-down to my small uni, and I've had one department head ask me to teach business classes for them (I have ZERO experience in business, so I declined). Two others are wanting to take private lessons from me because they're afraid of having to teach their classes in English.
Life is grand. |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
I"m not sure if the label "immersion" would apply. More the limited CBI, content based instruction.
But all nations that have reached successful levels of English language fluency penetration have gone this road. Makes sense along with more expenditure in the public realm on English service/media access/use.
I really think a beneficial and cost effective way to increase the English fluency and effectiveness of Korean English teachers is not only the early retirement offered these days (to get younger teachers in the classrooms, who are generally more fluent and less resistant to communicative methods) but rather more money.
I'm always surprised to meet teachers in schools who speak great English yet they aren't teaching English. There simply is no incentive, in particular, monetary. A bonus for English language instructors, a significant one, would be a welcome and constructive change. You get what you pay for......everywhere in the world.
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This is very true however there is a problem. My school is a laboratory school for a teacher's college, so every year the student teachers come and teach and I get to observe. The HORROR. First of all, the majority of the teachers don't actually speak English. Out of 160 teachers, only 5 were English education majors. So, perhaps there simply aren't that many English education majors out there. To be fair, Jeonju probably doesn't reflect national trends but if what I've seen the last 2 years is anything to go by, English education here will continue to suffer because schools too cheap or too broke (or too busy using earmarked money for other programs) to have an exclusive English teacher (whether a Native speaker or Korean). |
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bassexpander
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Another problem is that the best English speakers in this country are often those who are going for jobs in other fields. It's that way at my uni. We have a few students who speak great English who major in English, but a fair number of the English majors at my school tend to be the ones who are trying to choose SOMETHING for a major, and English is easier than others.
My theory is that English majors who are really good at English aren't the ones going to my school. They moved on to higher-level unis.
Also, maybe the people who are good at English, but go into business, trade, engineering, etc., feel they can make more money doing something other than teaching? That doesn't make sense to me, because my lady tells me that a lot of people want to leave jobs with Samsung, etc., to become a public school teacher. They want the stability, and view the job as less stressful.
Maybe they figure this out and want to change occupations later? |
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cbclark4

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think that at the very least an English Test should be printed in English. |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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bassexpander wrote: |
Another problem is that the best English speakers in this country are often those who are going for jobs in other fields. It's that way at my uni. We have a few students who speak great English who major in English, but a fair number of the English majors at my school tend to be the ones who are trying to choose SOMETHING for a major, and English is easier than others.
My theory is that English majors who are really good at English aren't the ones going to my school. They moved on to higher-level unis.
Also, maybe the people who are good at English, but go into business, trade, engineering, etc., feel they can make more money doing something other than teaching? That doesn't make sense to me, because my lady tells me that a lot of people want to leave jobs with Samsung, etc., to become a public school teacher. They want the stability, and view the job as less stressful.
Maybe they figure this out and want to change occupations later? |
So true. My co-teacher speaks great English but is not an "English teacher" because he didn't major in it in college. Now, he is leaving teaching all together to go into counseling.
There simply isn't enough incentive to keep or get people into this career. The strangest thing is that I met a McDonald's working, MCDONALD'S, who spoke far better English than the English education majors I've seen in the past 2 years.... |
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