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dmbfan
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 Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: Sweet! Good job, George!!!!!! |
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Bush throws down gauntlet to China with Dalai Lama meeting by P. Parameswaran
Wed Oct 10, 10:29 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush will risk angering China by attending a ceremony next week to award a Congress medal to the exiled Tibetan leader, the Dalai Lama, at the bastion of American democracy.
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Barely a month after China strongly protested German Chancellor Angela Merkel's meeting with the Dalai Lama, the White House said Wednesday that Bush and his wife will participate in the landmark event for the 72-year-old Buddhist spiritual leader at the Capitol building next Wednesday.
"The president and Mrs Laura Bush will attend the ceremony," national security council spokesman Gordon Johndroe told AFP.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will present the Congressional Gold Medal, the highest civilian honor the legislature can bestow, to the Dalai Lama.
"He has used his position to promote wisdom, compassion, and non-violence as a solution -- not only in Tibet -- but to other world conflicts," said Pelosi, a sharp critic of China's human rights record.
"The United States must continue to be committed to meeting the challenge that Tibet makes to the conscience of the world," she said.
A bill to award the medal won the support of more than two thirds of members of both the Senate and House of Representatives last year before it was signed into law by Bush.
The medal has also been given to such diverse individuals as Sir Winston Churchill, Pope John Paul II, Mother Teresa and former South African president Nelson Mandela.
This will be the first time that a sitting US president will appear with the Dalai Lama in a public event, a move that could anger China, diplomats said.
China reacted angrily when the US Congress announced the award last year.
The award "has sent very serious, wrong signals to the Tibetan independence forces, seriously interfered into China's internal affairs and damaged China-US relations," Beijing said then.
The ceremony in Washington comes just after Merkel's September 23 meeting with the Dalai Lama. Beijing warned Germany after the talks that bilateral ties had been damaged.
Aside from Merkel, the Dalai Lama also met Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer last month and was received by Australian Prime Minister John Howard in June. He is scheduled to meet Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper this month.
"We are seeing a trend in which world leaders are becoming more aware that it is in their interest to meet the Dalai Lama despite China's objections because he is after all one of the world's leaders," said Kate Saunders, spokeswoman for the International Campaign for Tibet.
"As he is increasingly received by world leaders, China is stepping up its anti-Dalai Lama campaign in Tibet," she said.
Following the ceremony, the Congress, in a rare move, has agreed to allow the Dalai Lama to address a large crowd of well wishers on the West Lawn of the Capitol.
Bush, known for his religious convictions, has been frank with China on human rights, particularly religious freedom, and strongly supports the idea of a dialogue between the Dalai Lama and Beijing.
He had met the Dalai Lama several times at the White House residence rather than the offices, apparently to avoid the full wrath of China.
China has ruled Tibet since sending troops in to "liberate" the Himalayan region in 1950.
The Dalai Lama fled to India following a failed uprising in 1959 after Beijing crushed the revolt in Lhasa.
The Tibetan leader lives in the northern hill town of Dharamsala, which is also the seat of his government in exile.
Beijing considers the Dalai Lama a political exile bent on establishing an independent Tibet, an accusation the 1989 Nobel Peace price winner has repeatedly denied.
He instead says he only wants greater autonomy and respect for Tibetan culture and religion |
My opinion? Phuck China. The U.S. should not have started to do business with them. The Chinese government is not to be trusted in any way (kind of like some other oriental government we all know)
my two cents.
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Dome Vans
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| We'll just wait and see. Give them a few years and you'll be grovelling back to them. Goodbye hegemonic status, hello Mediocre America! |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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And see, people are so phukced up nowadays.....they WANT this.
Hey, if you want to live under a communistic regime, while not being allowed to participate in religion.......go ahead! Sign up!
dmbfan
P.S. What will make America mediocre(core?) is the far left. The far left is killing what America held dear. No laws, no boarders, everything is legal...free, right......and we shoudl listen to all of our celebrities (who very few actually went to school and studied).
What we are seeing now, is America's version of Sectarian Violence (as a friend told me, and I agree) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| We'll just wait and see. Give them a few years and you'll be grovelling back to them. Goodbye hegemonic status, hello Mediocre America! |
Who has a better future
A) The US
B) The EU |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Who has a better future
A) The US
B) The EU |
Interesting............ |
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Pligganease
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Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ignore Dome Vans... He either can't read or ignores presented facts. He still hasn't told me which one, yet.  |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Ignore Dome Vans... He either can't read or ignores presented facts. He still hasn't told me which one, yet. |
Pikanese, it's been a while. How've you been? You been on holiday?
Both of those appear to be negative. I can read, thanks and 'fact' as you put it, has a very blurred meaning now. Propaganda is used by you and me. Don't forget this. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ignore Dome Vans... He either can't read or ignores presented facts. He still hasn't told me which one, yet. |
Well, we dont' need to attack anyones character. But, I would suggest using credible sources..........the L.A. Times or The Guardian are not really in that category. I would give more credit to a book written by a man who was THERE, and worked the ropes, and was Saddam's right hand man.
OH...NO, he did not write the book to just make money and sell propaganda. He wrote the book to tell what really happened. The reason it is not mainstream is because it does not support the "Bush Lied" theory, or the far left agenda.
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Who has a better future
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Interesting............ |
When the US's hegemonic status ends, and it will, it has nothing to do with the Left destroying it. It is cyclical. The US struggling to hold it now. So I think the EU has the better future because the US has further to fall, then years of mediocrity.
Take the UK as an example, what identity do we have? It's been fifty odd years as well since our fall from grace. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Ignore Dome Vans... He either can't read or ignores presented facts. He still hasn't told me which one, yet. |
Well, we dont' need to attack anyones character. But, I would suggest using credible sources..........the L.A. Times or The Guardian are not really in that category. I would give more credit to a book written by a man who was THERE, and worked the ropes, and was Saddam's right hand man.
OH...NO, he did not write the book to just make money and sell propaganda. He wrote the book to tell what really happened. The reason it is not mainstream is because it does not support the "Bush Lied" theory, or the far left agenda. |
Dmbfan, check the guardian one. It was the German intelligence that told the US that Curveball was not credible. He was also one of 'Saddam's men'. |
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Dome Vans
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| [quote="dmbfan"]And see, people are so phukced up nowadays.....they WANT this. |
We don't WANT this. A lot of people are disillusioned with America's handling of situations such as they are in now. You would seem to think that they are right to do this, people think otherwise. To deny that hegemonic status is lost is denying the inevitable. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Dmbfan, check the guardian one. It was the German intelligence that told the US that Curveball was not credible. He was also one of 'Saddam's men'. |
Sorry buddy, but..................if you would do some research, you would now that Germany, Russia and France had their hands in the Iraqi cookie jar before anyone arrived. OF COURSE Germany wants to keep a low profile...........duh!
Honestly, my friend. I know you are trying to have a respectable debate here, and I dont mean to put you down. BUT.....you are not giving us anything...........The LA Crimes and the Gaurdian? C'mon!!!!!! Most sensible people know that those media outlets are NOT credible in terms of reporting the truth, or having integrity. Granted, every media sources does use things to their advantage, and can bend things, but...............
Honeslty, you kind of sound like you are trying too hard here. Give us something more.
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jaganath69
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| We'll just wait and see. Give them a few years and you'll be grovelling back to them. Goodbye hegemonic status, hello Mediocre America! |
Read the latest Foreign Affairs for an overview on why China will not replace them. |
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Dome Vans
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Honestly, my friend. I know you are trying to have a respectable debate here, and I dont mean to put you down. BUT.....you are not giving us anything...........The LA Crimes and the Gaurdian? C'mon!!!!!! Most sensible people know that those media outlets are NOT credible in terms of reporting the truth, or having integrity. Granted, every media sources does use things to their advantage, and can bend things, but...............
Honeslty, you kind of sound like you are trying too hard here. Give us something more. |
I'm going to avoid your vainglorious comment here. Usually when those kind of comments come out you've nothing to add. You're just fudging or missing the point. You have obviously missed the point about what 'fact' is. You think, you read fact and I read propaganda. That's the kind of 'ivory tower' argument that doesn't win these arguments. The idea that I'm right and you're wrong, doesn't wash.
Not trying too hard here. I don't take myself too seriously on these boards, and am always surprised by how up their own as*es some people are. Belittling others because of an alternative POV, is a little childish.
Maybe you're not asleep as you thought dmbfan.  |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Anger China? OH NO! You mean the China that is poisoning the world with their pollution and killer consumer products? Or the China that is actively supporting the Junta in Burma, KIm in NK and a bunch of murderers in Sudan? Or the China that tramples on human rights at homes?
I say good for George. The Dalai Lama is a symbol for the oppression China has imposed on not only Tibet but anywhere their dirty grubby hands hand guns to dictators.
China should be happy their Genocide Olympics are going to be boycotted. |
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