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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Many noose incidents reported across US |
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Many noose incidents reported across US
By ERRIN HAINES, Associated Press Writer
ATLANTA - In the months since nooses dangling from a schoolyard tree raised racial tensions in Jena, La., the frightening symbol of segregation-era lynchings has been turning up around the country.
Nooses were left in a black Coast Guard cadet's bag, at a Long Island police station locker room, on a Maryland college campus, and, just this week, on the office door of a black professor at Columbia University in New York.
The noose � like the burning cross � is a generations-old means of instilling racial fear. But some experts suspect the Jena furor reintroduced some bigots to the rope. They say the recent incidents might also reflect white resentment over the protests in Louisiana.
"It certainly looks like it's been a rash of these incidents, and presumably, most of them are in response to the events in Jena," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks white supremacists and other hate groups. "I would say that as a more general matter, it seems fairly clear that noose incidents have been on the rise for some years."
Thousands of demonstrators, including the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, converged on Jena on Sept. 20 to decry what they called a racist double standard in the justice system. They protested the way six blacks were arrested on attempted murder charges in the beating of a white student, while three whites were suspended but not prosecuted for hanging nooses in a tree in August 2006.
The noose evokes the lynchings of the Jim Crow South and "is a symbol that can be deployed with no ambiguity. People understand exactly what it means," said William Jelani Cobb, a professor of black American history at Spelman College in Atlanta.
He said the Jena incident demonstrated to some racists how offensive the sight of a noose can be: "What Jena did was reintroduce that symbol into the discussion."
Though the terror of the civil rights era is gone, the association between nooses and violence � even death � remains, Potok said.
"The noose is replacing the burning cross in the mind of much of the public as the leading symbol of the Klan," Potok said.
Potok dismissed the idea that the placing of a noose could be interpreted as a joke, even among people born after the end of segregation.
"I think that it's true that most of these kids don't know much about civil rights history," he said. "But every single one of them understands what a noose means at the end of the day."
As word of the Jena case began circulating, reports of similar incidents arose.
In July, a noose was left in the bag of a black Coast Guard cadet aboard a cutter. A noose was found in August on the office floor of a white officer who had been conducting race-relations training in response to the incident.
In early September, a noose was discovered at the University of Maryland in a tree near a building that houses several black campus groups.
On Sept. 29, a noose appeared in the locker room of the Hempstead, N.Y., police department, which recently touted its efforts to recruit minorities.
On Oct. 2, a noose was seen hanging on a utility pole at the Anniston Army Depot in Alabama.
Last week, the president of historically black Grambling State University in Louisiana announced he would seek sanctions against five teachers who participated in a lesson on race relations that included placing a noose around the neck of a child at a mostly black, on-campus elementary school.
The Columbia incident involved a black professor of psychology and education, Madonna Constantine, who teaches a class on racial justice.
The Columbia investigation also follows the arrest on Sunday of a white woman on hate-crime charges alleging she hung a noose over a tree limb and threatened a black family living next door in New York City. The two incidents were "the first noose cases in recent memory" in the city, said Deputy Inspector Michael Osgood, commander of the police Hate Crime Task Force.
Not that the use of nooses for racial intimidation is a new phenomenon.
In 2002, white employees at a Texas industrial company put a noose around a black co-worker's neck. Charles Hickman sued and was awarded more than $1 million last year.
Potok said the recent noose incidents could represent white backlash over the demonstrations in Jena.
"We're seeing a lot of generalized white resentment," he said. "The conversation among many white people, particularly in the South, amounts to the idea that Jena was a black-on-white hate crime that is being widely misconstrued as a case of racial oppression of blacks."
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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In the military, pulling that kind of stunt just once is good enough to get you kicked out of the service. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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CentralCali wrote: |
In the military, pulling that kind of stunt just once is good enough to get you kicked out of the service. |
You're lucky if that's all that happens... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Copycat crimes are one of the problems with mass media. You have to report what happens, but at the same time, it stimulates some people to do the same. Of course, reporting doesn't 'cause' the crime, I'm not saying that, but it gives some people an idea of how to express their anti-social feelings. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'd suggest that they start shoving gigantic black dildos up the perps tooter. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, I'm sorry you are having a hard time with this. Whites are fed up with violent crime put against them by Black males and being blamed for perpetual Black failure.
If you want to have a quality discussion, you have to bring this up. Further, although evidence of hate is scant, the reality the numbers have to equal zero if you want peace.
Rape stats make the KKK look like they have argument.
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According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, in the United States in 2005, 37,460 White females were sexually assaulted or raped by a Black man, while between zero and ten Black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a White man. There were overall 111,590 white victims of rape/sexual assault in 2005. In those 111,590 cases the offender was White in 44.5 percent of the cases and Black in 33.6 percent of the cases.[121] |
Black males are 7 times more likley than whites males to commit homicide.
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Double standard when it comes to interracial crime is significant. The overwheliming majority of interracial crime involves White victims and Black or Hispanic suspects, yet very few of these crimes are classified as "hate crimes." The opposite is assumed when a crime features a White suspect and a minority victim. On Saturday, January 6, 2007, Channon Christian, 21, and Christopher Newsom, 23, of Knoxville, Tennessee, went on a date from which they would never return. On their way to the home of another couple, they were carjacked and kidnapped. Over the next 24 hours they were beaten, gang-raped, tortured, and murdered. Some commentators complained that the murders highlighted a double standard in American journalism: that if Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom had been black and their killers white, their story would have received more attention.[122] |
The above is what the nooses are all about. Is that hard to figure out? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Three things.
1. While I believe your stats are legit, please provide a source.
2. The 7x thing is irrelevant to your argument. The reason is the vast majority of homicides committed by African American males is against other African Americans.
3. While that first stat is startling, I wouldn't deem them to be hate crimes. What is the number of black women who are sexually assaulted by black men? That is lacking in your info. For all we know, the # of black victims is even higher.
edit: now if your only argument is that african american males are more prone to violence than other races, then well yeah, thats what the stats say. That still doesn't justify actions such as the noose. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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2. The 7x thing is irrelevant to your argument. The reason is the vast majority of homicides committed by African American males is against other African Americans. |
You miss an important and subtle point. Stats like this make racism look appealing. Its just not good for relations. It baits people into stereotyping and its just a frightening stat by itself. The fact that the 7X stat aren't entirely directed at White people doesn't make the point moot or "good".
The nooses are necessary - its the only way we can communicate now. PC only allows one explanation for Black failure and that would be White racism. As a White person, I find that explanation really tiring and the objective part of me does not allow the idea that "White people are perfectly racist and Black people are perfect victims" to hold merit.
Black failure is real - when you leave Black people to their own devices - failure is the norm. You are going to figure out how to calculate that in from now on. Its real tough and virtually impossible but that beside the point.
My stats all come from DOJ. The quotes are from the numerous "White Pride" sites, however distasteful that might be for general discussion. The facts are sound none the less. The 7X stat came from a NY Times op-ed piece on the Jena 6. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Tony_Balony wrote: |
The nooses are necessary - its the only way we can communicate now. PC only allows one explanation for Black failure and that would be White racism. As a White person, I find that explanation really tiring and the objective part of me does not allow the idea that "White people are perfectly racist and Black people are perfect victims" to hold merit. |
I realize you're just trolling, but saying "nooses are necessary" in order to contradict the statement "White people are perfectly racist and Black people are perfect victims" is a little, well, idiotic. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Pligganease wrote: |
Tony_Balony wrote: |
The nooses are necessary - its the only way we can communicate now. PC only allows one explanation for Black failure and that would be White racism. As a White person, I find that explanation really tiring and the objective part of me does not allow the idea that "White people are perfectly racist and Black people are perfect victims" to hold merit. |
I realize you're just trolling, but saying "nooses are necessary" in order to contradict the statement "White people are perfectly racist and Black people are perfect victims" is a little, well, idiotic. |
Not a troll. Again I state, discussion of the topics above are off limits. I tried to talk about them I was called an idiotic troll. You just aren't allowed to bring it up. There is no where else to go with it. Its a sign of frustration. |
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mack4289

Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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So your goal is to acknowledge the disproportionate number of crimes committed by black people, and your way of accomplishing this is by threatening law-abiding (as far as I know) black people? That's absurd.
The victims in the noose incidents were a member of the Coast Guard, police officers, college students and a professor. They weren't (as far as I know) criminals and they should not have to answer for black crime anymore than anyone else. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Tony_Balony wrote: |
The nooses are necessary - its the only way we can communicate now.
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you've got issues. no reason to discuss this further with you if you really think that is the case.
Thank you Mack for more eloquently expressing my opinion. |
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