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[yawarakaijin]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101207P.shtml#1

What would you do if you were the father/brother/sister/mother of any of these people? Not interested in a policy debate. Simply, what you would do personally.

[cbclark4]

Personally I tell my kids to stay away from crack houses.

I hope in Iraq, if they love their wives and children, they are not taking
them into these hotspots.

It may be that they were the wives and children of the 19 militants that
were also killed.

Hopefully in Iraq the insurgents are not hiding behind their wives and
children.

Now I ask you, what if one of your favorite hockey players was
killed in the 911 attacks what would you do?

[Gunther]

It reminds me of that song by Joni Mitchell - No Apologies...

[VanIslander]

opps... accidentally killed your father... opps accidentally killed your sister and grandfather.... opps accidentally killed your son

what would that do to you?

i admit i feel huimbled by the lack of animosity shown on CNN as they interview relatives in hospitals after "incidents"

[blaseblasphemener]

[merkurix]

[happeningthang]

[yawarakaijin]

[Ya-ta Boy]

There was a British program on D-Day on Discovery over the weekend. Just before the invasion, the French Resistance was notified to start disrupting bridges, etc. One Resistance fighter acknowledged that civilians were going to be killed in the invasion. I forget the exact quote, but the essence was, "Bring it on".

If Iraqis were blowing up dozens of women and children in the market places everyday, there wouldn't be foreign bombs falling on houses trying to stop them.

[yawarakaijin]

You gotta wonder sometimes. I know it sounds a little naive but what if you simply used the soldiers as a police/rapid reaction force and focused the effort on actually trying to bring these people some improvements.

Now the standard rhetoric is that the reconstruction has failed because of the level of the insurgency. BULL F#CKING SH#T. Are there enough insurgents to blow up every single reconstruction effort in the country? For that matter, once that water treatment plant is built and IF insurgents destroyed it don't you think that would turn the local populace againts the insurgents?? The human condition is the human condition. And whether you like it or not, the Iraqis are human.

The same instinct that tells a father to pick up an ak-47 to revenge his childs death (no matter who the culprit) is going to bring these people around when/if they see the good the americans can bring them being destroyed by islamic fundamentalist goat herders who are, in many cases, not even Iraqi.

What is with this goddamn 10th century thinking that the only way to win is kill, kill, kill. Seems to me Americans aren't so much intent on winning as just producing a big goddamn show. See! See! We are killing these ragheads to get back at them for 9/11. 　It is sad to say, but it seems this is the only kind of action the american populace is capable of wrapping their heads around. Tell them you could pacify Iraq with sanitation, irrigation, education, healthcare and a helping hand and you are somehow a whiny liberal whose patriotism is to be questioned at every turn. 2 trillion for bombs, cool. 500 billion for infrastruture, meh.

[Big_Bird]

[djsmnc]

It sure would be nice if it would all just go away. It sure is grand to live in a comfort zone. Now we can complain about it all and find relief through criticizing Americans on ESL Cafe!

[cbclark4]

[cbclark4]

If you love your children you do not use them as human shields.

OP, I can appreciate your position ad I understand that there are innocent victims.

The problem is you chose a a human shield scenario to hang your gripe upon.

Choose a better incident to illustrate the problem.

A wedding where the guest were firing on helicopters perhaps.

[yawarakaijin]

While no doubt there have been terrorists who have ran into populated areas to try and avoid fire, are you suggesting that< in this particular kind of conflict, it is good military strategy to go ahead and bomb the hell out of them anyway?

No matter how idealogically opposed to these people I am, I find it hard to believe that the majority of them, as a basic tactic, choose to directly endanger the lives of their families and children. No doubt the hardcore militants who think their entire family will be taken to heaven with them would do this, but I doubt it is the majority. I think it is merely more dehumanization of the enemy in order to justify any and all munitions we throw at them. Remember the Gerries and Japs? Well they all eat Jews for breakfast and impale little babies on bayonets so anything we do to them is fine.

In an open and all out conflict against an army and citizenry that has declared war on you, and when your aim is complete destruction of their country, I would say calling in 500lbs bombs to kill a bunch of them hold up in a house a fine tactic indeed.

When fighting in a country you are supposedly trying to help, I would have to call such tactics ineffective to say the least. Sometimes wars need to be fought. If they are important enough to fight, they are important enough to win. I think the current administration should be absolutely ashamed at how they have conducted this war. It is almost treasonable in my book.

30 years later we are in a nuclear showdown with Iran because we suppourted a man they didn't want in power. What kind of Iraq are we going to be dealing with in the future after directly/indirectly killing hundreds of thousands of them? It is not enough to simply say " it wasn't our fault, we tried to help." Like it or not, THEY won't see it that way and there is going to be hell to pay in the future I gaurantee it.

This administration is constantly talking about how they don't want the next attack to be a mushroom cloud over New York city. I'm usually not a betting man but I will give you 100-1 odds that if that mushroom cloud ever arrives there WILL have been direct Iraqi involvement. Ironic.

To all the usual suspects. Don't worry. I know I am just some looney leftist who doesn't understand the true nature of the enemy. In my defence however, how can I understand them? They aren't even human.