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traxxe

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: Given recent events, would you support background checks? |
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Most people who have clean records probably support background checks.
Are they really fair though? Right now if you have a criminal record you ccannot work in a public school in Korea or Japan. (Probably others) As they do background checks and anything that shows up prohibits you from a job.
Now most of you are probably saying, "GREAT!"
Think about this though. Most crimes that people commit happen when they are young. They are low level misdermeanors. Most of these people never see jail, they just pay a fine and move on with their lives. Most of them never have anything else come up on their records.
I have a misdermeanor on my record. When I was eighteen I bounced a check to Pizza Hut. I was really inexperienced at keeping my banking records. I didn't realize it bounced. I moved cities and had opened a new bank account. Four years later I was pulled over for going seven miles over the speed limit. I was arrested in a podunk town and taken to jail for the night. The next day the judge sent me on my way.
I went and paid my fine, theft by check. I was convicted of a midermeanor.
Now I cannot teach public school (at least in Texas, not sure about other states) in America or Internationally.
I learned my lesson, I was eighteen. So ten years later I still suffer because I never new how to balance my check book. Had I known it would of bounced I would of paid it.
Once you serve your time, shouldn't you be done suffering for your actions? Isn't going to jail penence enough. The American system keeps people in it. They lose opportunity, get trapped in poverty. Rinse, repeat. Just because of one initial little problem.
There is a big difference between murdering someone and have a joint. Or raping a girl and driving with a suspended license.
Yet they all suffer about the same when jobs discriminate because of your past.
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Background checks would NOT have indicated anything with that Operation Vico investigated guy, would it?
Knee jerk reactions to do something even if that something doesn't address the issue.
Nobody ratted on the guy. Surely someone he knew was aware of what he had done. Waiting until a pedophile posts pictures of himself on the 'net and is identified as a suspect is just too long.
The thing is... what were the signs? how to know?
Still,... background checks might catch someone some day so something done is better than nothing. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: |
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If it isn't already the case, I think that passport pictures from all countries should be kept in a database that Interpol has access to in order to allow it to identify wanted criminals and missing children. I'm sure there is already software that would have made it easy to identify the suspect. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Hollywoodaction wrote: |
If it isn't already the case, I think that passport pictures from all countries should be kept in a database that Interpol has access to in order to allow it to identify wanted criminals and missing children. I'm sure there is already software that would have made it easy to identify the suspect. |
Welcome...to 1984. Seriously, if you want to live in a police state, move to North Korea. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: |
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A background check on me would reveal a single mischief charge. That would mean with criminal background checks, Chris Neil is more employable than me.
As much as I think they'd be a good thing, they're not perfect, and more good teachers would be turned away than bad teachers caught. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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The OP is right. An abberation should not work against you for the rest of your life. Of course, child molesters are a different kettle of fish altogether but in the OP's case I agree. Crminal record checks wouldn't catch many child predators anyway. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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To the OP, can't you get misdemeanours removed from your record after a certain amount of time has passed without another incident?
Even so, background checks are pretty standard for most jobs back home where you're in a position of trust, why should getting a job teaching kids be easier than getting one working at a call centre |
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ldh2222
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
To the OP, can't you get misdemeanours removed from your record after a certain amount of time has passed without another incident?
Even so, background checks are pretty standard for most jobs back home where you're in a position of trust, why should getting a job teaching kids be easier than getting one working at a call centre |
If anything does get implemented, directly or indirectly related to this case, it's been a long time coming I'll tell you that much... |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
To the OP, can't you get misdemeanours removed from your record after a certain amount of time has passed without another incident?
Even so, background checks are pretty standard for most jobs back home where you're in a position of trust, why should getting a job teaching kids be easier than getting one working at a call centre |
Aye, I had to have a background check to work in a highschool back home, I see it as no different here. |
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CheeseSandwich
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: |
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I have a record for something that would never be illegal in Korea.
Public intoxication. Both received after I was too drunk to drive so I decided to walk home from the bars.
In my college town the police would sometimes get "Tough on drinking" and try to round up as many people at parties who were underage or what ever.
I left the bar and ended up with a record because I was visibly drunk or some none sense.
Its a simple misd. but still something I'm not excited about coming up with at a job.
Although, hell it might even be an assest to have drinking on your record in Korea. |
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normalcyispasse

Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Shouldn't non-recidivist criminals be given a real chance at reassimilation?
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traxxe

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
To the OP, can't you get misdemeanours removed from your record after a certain amount of time has passed without another incident?
Even so, background checks are pretty standard for most jobs back home where you're in a position of trust, why should getting a job teaching kids be easier than getting one working at a call centre |
You can get them removed via governor's pardon, sure. Not likely to happen unless you are wealthy. If you have a misdermeanor deferred to adjudication you can get it removed from the record. If you please no contest (like I did) or guilty. It's there for life.
If you get it deferred you have to pay a lawyer to get it removed, go before the judge, etc. In my case my state appointed lawyer never advised me I could get deferred to adjudication. Or I would have.
I won't teach. Which sucks. I always wanted to teach history.
I can teach at a University though. |
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traxxe

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Most jobs in the States ask if you have ever been convicted of a felony. They know there is a huge difference between that and a petty misdermeanor.
Where is the line? If you allow background checks. What about credit checks? If you work for a financial institution they will run your credit and will not hire you if it is too poort. Subsequently, if you file for bankruptcy they can fire you in a later credit check.
My money matters are my business. I think allowing criminal checks is a slippery slope. There should be restrictions to what crimes should show up and not other checks should be allowed. You could get denied from a job because you were layed off and couldn't afford to pay your bills for six months while you looked for work. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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jaganath69 wrote: |
Hollywoodaction wrote: |
If it isn't already the case, I think that passport pictures from all countries should be kept in a database that Interpol has access to in order to allow it to identify wanted criminals and missing children. I'm sure there is already software that would have made it easy to identify the suspect. |
Welcome...to 1984. Seriously, if you want to live in a police state, move to North Korea. |
Or the US...but that's beside the point.
The fact is that your passport picture is on file, and may be on a database. I'm for allowing Interpol to access the database to identify wanted criminals like in this case and missing children. That's it. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Given recent events, would you support background checks |
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traxxe wrote: |
Most crimes that people commit happen when they are young. They are low level misdermeanors.
Yet they all suffer about the same when jobs discriminate because of your past. |
I agree, minor misdemeanours from ones teenage years should not be used to blight someones opportunities for the rest of their life.
There should be a system whereby serious crimes are retained on someones record, but minor offences arent. In the UK minor criminal offences are erased after 10 years. Shoplifting when you're 18 is insignificant.
But a conviction for paedophile offences is a whole different matter. |
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