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[igotthisguitar]

Zionism and the Third Reich
by Mark Weber

Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name, "Tel Aviv," while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member.

Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity."1

Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

[guangho]

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/historical_review.asp?xpicked=3&item=ihr


"Once a leading voice in the international movement to deny the Holocaust and vindicate Hitler and the Nazi regime, the Institute for Historical Review has been in decline for several years. It has been unable to convene a major international conference or publish its Holocaust-denying Journal of Historical Review since 2002. Currently its activities have been limited to hosting minor extremist gatherings -- usually featuring a speech by IHR director Mark Weber and occasionally another Holocaust denier such as David Irving -- and operating its Web site and its e-mail list.

The Institute of Historical Review and its publishing arm, the Noontide Press, were founded in 1978 by the leading organizer of modern American anti-Semitism, Willis Carto, and his wife Elisabeth. Based near Los Angeles in Torrance, California, the group pioneered organizing efforts among Holocaust deniers, who had heretofore labored mostly in isolation and obscurity. The group's first "Revisionist Convention" in September 1979 featured speakers from the U.S., France, Germany, England and Sweden, many of whom subsequently contributed articles to the inaugural issue of IHR's Journal of Historical Review the following spring. With the Noontide Press offering a means for the sale and distribution of their writings, professional deniers had found something of a rainmaker in Carto.

In a misguided bid to enlist mainstream historians to its cause, IHR obtained the 12,000-member mailing list of the Organization of American Historians, to which it sent copies of the Journal of Historical Review. The group also sent mailings to members of the American Historical Association and to subscribers of the scholarly journals Central European History and German Quarterly. Unsurprisingly, these efforts backfired: all of the organizations and journals repudiated IHR and promised to keep the group away from their mailing lists in the future. The Organization of American Historians went further, commissioning a study of IHR's materials. The results were damning, with a panel finding that the Journal of Historical Review was "nothing but a masquerade of scholarship."

From the institute's inception, speakers at its conferences and writers in its journal or published by its press have labored to build a case that the Auschwitz gas chambers were either used only for delousing clothing or were merely bomb shelters; that the confessions of SS personnel, including Adolf Eichmann and Rudolf H?s, must be disregarded; that there was no policy of murdering Jews in places such as Treblinka, Majdanek and Belzec. IHR continually works to discredit the testimony of survivors and the reliability of wartime documents; several articles and speeches have been devoted to proving that Anne Frank's diary is a "fraud" fabricated after the war. One article has even suggested that the infamous German pogrom known as Kristallnacht was directed by the Jews themselves.

IHR speakers and writers contend that the Holocaust "hoax" (or "Holohoax," as they often call it) was perpetrated by Jews on a gullible public in order to create and support the State of Israel, and to defraud Western countries of billions of dollars in reparations payments to survivors. Some, including current IHR director Mark Weber (right), believe that Jews impose the guilt-inducing Holocaust "myth" on the West out of "contempt for non-Jewish humanity." Others, including Jurgen Graf, propose that the universal acceptance of the "gas chamber lie" is actually the first step in a plot by "shadowy, hidden forces" to "destroy all sovereign nations and establish a world government."

[Ya-ta Boy]

igotthisguitar, this is the Off-Topic Forum, not Off-the-Wall Forum. Please restrain yourself.

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[igotthisguitar]

[guangho]

See, the thing is, if I read an article that purports to scientifically prove that the Earth is flat and later I find out that it uses statistics provided by the flat Earth society, that puts a wee damper on the article credibility. You get my analogy right?

[sundubuman]

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[igotthisguitar]

[guangho]

OK so Herzl had one solution in mind, and Hitler another. I prefer Herzl's. How about you?

Oh and Herzl originally wanted to establish a Jewish state in Uganda, which at the time had (and has to this day) a visible Jewish presence. Just for fun, if Israel had been carved out of Uganda would you support it?

[guangho]

Ummm..guitar boyo? No response, eh? I thought you might enjoy this:

(Re)writing History
Boyd D. Cathey, 54 | WENDELL, N.C.

For close to three decades, Boyd Cathey has been a superficially presentable but radical political activist � a man with tight connections to Holocaust denial, far-right Catholicism and racially tinged neo-Confederate causes who nevertheless has helped lead major political campaigns.

In the 1970s, while still in his 20s, Cathey studied in Spain, Switzerland and Argentina at institutions run by the Society of Pius X, a far-right "traditionalist" Catholic sect that rejects modern theological reforms, and Opus Dei, a Catholic organization that long supported Spanish dictator Francisco Franco.

In 1979, according to the society's newsletter, Cathey was ordained and went on to teach at the society's seminary in Ridgefield, Conn. Two years later, he landed a job at the North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources, where he still works today as an archivist in the Special Collections Branch.

Cathey also worked as an assistant to the late Russell Kirk, a leading neo-Confederate thinker, and Andrew Lytle, one of a group that defended the South in the 1930 compilation I'll Take My Stand.

By 1984, Cathey had taken a public plunge into far-right, neo-Confederate politics, joining Southern Partisan magazine as a contributor, editor and senior adviser until 1999. In 1988, Cathey was named North Carolina co-chair for gay-bashing televangelist Pat Robertson's presidential run.

Four years later, he became state campaign manager for far-right commentator Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign � and was exposed during that campaign as an editorial adviser, since 1989, to the journal of the Holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review (IHR)*. (The IHR puts on conferences featuring people like neo-Nazi David Duke and the son of Hitler's deputy, Rudolf Hess.) Cathey claimed in 1996 that he had quit his IHR position, but its leader, Mark Weber, said last year that Cathey was still in the post. Cathey is still listed on the group's Web page today.

Cathey recently also has become a key player in the attempted extremist takeover of the Sons of Confederate Veterans led by Ron Wilson (see Hijacking Heritage) the heritage group's commander in chief since August 2002.

Following his election, Wilson ejected the SCV's North Carolina public information officer as part of a major purge of those who criticized racism within the group, and replaced him with Cathey, whom he had already named to the SCV's executive council.

This June, Cathey wrote an E-mail to SCV members calling for increased activism and bemoaning how, over the last 20 years, "immense numbers of 'Yankees' and 'Latinos'" had moved to the South and "change[d] our society." The SCV's recent formation of a political action committee (see Unfinished Business) shows that Cathey's influence is likely being felt.

[igotthisguitar]

[bignate]

I think that the Zionists and the National Socialists had ostensibly correlative, but not identical ideas about who the Jews where and what the solution would be, but they were not working towards the same solution.

Prior to the rise of Hitler, the Zionists were more of a peripheral conciderateion within Jewish politics, however with Hitler's rise to power, and the instituting of his anti-Jewish campaign, the idea of a Jewish state became much more critical for those affected by the Nazis' programs - and the impending dangers they would promulgate.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[PaperTiger]

I'm not sure how quoting Rense is percieved as promoting ANY degree of credibility...if you go to his site you'll see what I mean. There's alternative press and media and then there's just plain crackpot. Holocaust denial is just one of MANY bizarre, crackpot theories that Rense promotes.

However...

The mainstream media in America is just as selective in it's choice of stories it airs and even more so in the slant they choose to portray it. You could attend a peaceful rally for protest that turned into a police-instigated street-fight earlier in the day only to have the inverse masquerading as "news" later that day. Or better yet, if by some strange chance the producers of a news show choose to air the truth or forget to mutilate it beyond recognition...there is a very good chance that the station in question would experience "technical difficulties" during the airing of that story only to resume later with no follow-up. It seems there were quite a few anti-Bush protests that were greeted with a police retalliation (shock and awe, if you will) that went unreported or redacted from "credible" news sources.

So, as off-the-wall as some of Rense's stories are, I think that a few regarding the American oligarchy are far more credible than the "patriots" at FOX, NBC, CNN, and ABC would be willing to allow on their station. For instance, he provides a number of links to sites that establish collusion of the American government and the Nazi's, most notably Bush's grandfather, Ford, and GM. So, if he is also going to insinuate that a bunch of tapeworms like Zionist Socialists were not above collaboration it might be worth examining.

Some people don't want to believe something just because it goes beyond the scope of what they have come to accept, does that make what they believe fact??? Ask yourself "who is history written by?"

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

My guess is that 90% of what you see in the US mainstream media is what you see on the BBC. I don't think they have an agenda to distort the news. You do know that conservatives think the US media has a liberal agenda - I don't believe them either.

Since sites like Rense and the American Free Press have an agenda and also live off of conspiracy theories it is very likely that they would suppress anything that would contradict their agenda. It doesn't automatically make everything they say false , but it does make them a very suspect source.

And the story of Bush's grandfather helping the nazis has also been distorted by anti Bush people.

Igotthisguitar intentionally mixes up what the Herzel refered to as the "final solution" and what the Nazis had in mind to make them see as one in the same. That is also what the American Free Press and Rense do.


Why he does so isn't hard to figure out.