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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Public school V Hagwons Reply with quote

So it's a couple of hours into my first stint in a public (elementary) school. The vibe seems totally different to that of a hagwon which has it's good and bad points i guess. One thing that's pretty different is my co teachers english speaking ability, with some of them it's practically zilch, but that's what i'm here for I guess. Compared to a Hagwon where you are pretty much guaranteed that your head teacher is going to be able to communicate with you on some reasonable level.

Another difference is my schedule, it's really light here, no more than 4 40 minute classes a day which is nice, the downside being that you have to show up at 830 and can't leave before 430 as opposed to the old hit and run tactics i use to get away with in the hagwon.

Anyways, anyone teaching public school elementary, please leave me a few pointers as i'm pretty sure i'll need them!.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't teach elementary but here's a pointer: why don't you title your thread 'Making the shift to elementary school' instead of yet, yet, yet another 'Public schools vs. hogwans' threads.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love teaching at public schools. The staying there all day sucks, my suggestion use the time to watch the news and watch movies and chat with buddies back home, work on that novel you always wanted to write. I love the light workload and the lack of english, keeps people out of my buisness. Also you will always get paid and get a mostly straight deal. But be warned, as a government employee you have to get a physical every year that the school gets to keep. This includes an HIV test and a urine test, so you've been warned.
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Peter Jackson



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Hi Octavius Reply with quote

When I applied for my public school postion back in February the recruiter said that I would have to submit the following:

Criminal records check from back home
Health certificate
two letters of reference

I never submitted any of them. I was in SE Asia at the time and getting the police check from my home country was very difficult and expensive. I couldn't get the health check either.

I've been here 3 months and no one has asked for the documents. About this yearly physical: is it mandatory? Would they fire a teacher who refused?

On principal, I would not agree to a health check unless I chose the doctor and it was done in a country other than Korea. I just don't think any third party should have any private information. I am waiting for the day to come when they ask for this test. I will never give blood or urine. A TB test would be the only thing I would do as even in my home country a teacher has to do this. There is no need to test blood and urine except for HIV and drug use.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe me there was fight here because I definitly didnt want the school secretary having my info. But it is mandatory for all government employees in Korea (this is what I was told) and they seemed pretty serious about it. When I went for it I was freaking out as getting an HIV test is bad enough but knowing that it is not anonymous and that the whole school is likely to know is hoorendous. Not to metion that a positive result on either the drug or HIV test is automatic deportation, so take this into consideration. Luckily I hadn't smoked anything since last September so kool.
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Peter Jackson



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: I am hoping... Reply with quote

things are done a little differently here. I have nothing to hide but to me it's the principal of it.

I have a feeling they will let it slide as I'm in the boonies and finding another teacher wouldn't be so easy. If they bring it up I will say yes but stall as much as possible and then graciously resign if they're adament about it. I feel very strongly about privacy issues. I hope it never comes to that.

Cheers,
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just go to your own doctor as I did. All is private and he only wrote a quick note that "MR. >>>>> is in full health and there are no health reasons he should not be teaching. " Fully accepted by the MofE.

Cost you though but you are also able to take the day off of work to get it done.........which costs you though, cuz you are shopping and having a fine meal and ...........

DD
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Peter Jackson



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:13 am    Post subject: Thanks ddeubel Reply with quote

I will do that if it comes up. I don't think it will be a problem.

Cheers,
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't stand people who complain about working a full 8 hour day. I think that if a teacher has all of their work done by 3 or 3:30 then they should be able to go home, but it doesn't work like that in Korea. If you have something important to do you can sign out early.

In your spare time I suggest you work on lesson plans, prepare materials, study teaching methodology, study Korean, read a good book etc. The best thing about a public school is actually having time to plan a nice well rounded lesson.
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
I can't stand people who complain about working a full 8 hour day. I think that if a teacher has all of their work done by 3 or 3:30 then they should be able to go home, but it doesn't work like that in Korea. If you have something important to do you can sign out early.

In your spare time I suggest you work on lesson plans, prepare materials, study teaching methodology, study Korean, read a good book etc. The best thing about a public school is actually having time to plan a nice well rounded lesson.


Is that in the contract? "You can sign out early."
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sarahsarah



Joined: 05 Aug 2004
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I never submitted any of them. I was in SE Asia at the time and getting the police check from my home country was very difficult and expensive. I couldn't get the health check either.


They may not have asked for it yet, but they will.

They didn't ask me for this stuff until the week before I left...physical included. I waited to to the physical in Korea though because it's so much cheaper. As for the police check, I did mine online. It cost about 7$ from my state's police department website.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buymybook wrote:
I_Am_Wrong wrote:
I can't stand people who complain about working a full 8 hour day. I think that if a teacher has all of their work done by 3 or 3:30 then they should be able to go home, but it doesn't work like that in Korea. If you have something important to do you can sign out early.

In your spare time I suggest you work on lesson plans, prepare materials, study teaching methodology, study Korean, read a good book etc. The best thing about a public school is actually having time to plan a nice well rounded lesson.


Is that in the contract? "You can sign out early."


It's a standard thing when you have something important to do. You get the book with all of the teachers' names; find yours; write down why you have to leave; get the head teacher to sign it; take off.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nice to see people who love their schools so much that they stand by their "principals".

Principals do it on principle.

My principal is my pal.

Wink
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a standard thing when you have something important to do. You get the book with all of the teachers' names; find yours; write down why you have to leave; get the head teacher to sign it; take off.


It was like this for my at my public school last year, but that has changed. This year, if I sign out early, it subtracts from my vacation days. So, if I sign out for a total of 8 hours, that's 1 vacation day less that I will receive. So, now if I have to go to the bank or something, I go during my lunch hour.
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Tarheel13



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: OntheWay...I was wondering when some nerd was going... Reply with quote

to pick up the incorrect use of the language. You ESL "conversationalists" might just begin to believe that you really are teachers if this keeps up.
Be warned, I will be watching your use of the language, punctuation and syntax, among other things. Adieu..
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