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E-2 changes may include recruiter responsibility

 
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: E-2 changes may include recruiter responsibility Reply with quote

A Korean friend of mine who has an ear in some of the government's current discussions about future teacher requirements has refused to tell me much of anything about the new rules coming down the pipe for teachers. Man, I've all but begged him to give me any information possible, but he won't.

The only interesting thing he mentioned is that there are discussions about added paperwork and responsibility for recruiters (as if there weren't enough already, right?). The proposal is that, in the future, non-government recruiters will share financial responsibility if a placed teacher runs, commits a crime, or other offense. In effect, this means that if a placed teacher runs, the recruiter will be held responsible for any bills the teacher left unpaid (including airfare).

So if the teacher turns out to be a bad egg, the school or parents of an injured student, can file a claim for compensation against the recruiter -- smooth and easy, without the need for hiring expensive lawyers.

This smacks of attempts to control the recruiting industry, possibly at the financial gain of a few "connected" individuals.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: E-2 changes may include recruiter responsibility Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
A Korean friend of mine who has an ear in some of the government's current discussions about future teacher requirements has refused to tell me much of anything about the new rules coming down the pipe for teachers. Man, I've all but begged him to give me any information possible, but he won't.

The only interesting thing he mentioned is that there are discussions about added paperwork and responsibility for recruiters (as if there weren't enough already, right?). The proposal is that, in the future, non-government recruiters will share financial responsibility if a placed teacher runs, commits a crime, or other offense. In effect, this means that if a placed teacher runs, the recruiter will be held responsible for any bills the teacher left unpaid (including airfare).

So if the teacher turns out to be a bad egg, the school or parents of an injured student, can file a claim for compensation against the recruiter -- smooth and easy, without the need for hiring expensive lawyers.

This smacks of attempts to control the recruiting industry, possibly at the financial gain of a few "connected" individuals.


Sounds like a great plan. Confused Ya, right. Another 1/2 baked idea, poorly thought out and no real idea of the implications or implimentation.
Stupidity at it's finest.

With about 1/2 the recruiters NOT being in Korea they are out of the jurisdiction of the law and immune from it's effects. This will give them a great advantage and the ability to still send warm bodies and keep the costs low. Korean recruiters will have to increase costs to make up for potential liabilities putting them at a great disadvantage.

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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you expect they would pass such a law without making foreign recruitment illegal?

I wonder what is up their sleeve.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
Do you expect they would pass such a law without making foreign recruitment illegal?

yes.

I wonder what is up their sleeve.


And even if they made it illegal (even though doing so would be illegal under some of their trade agreements - and they can't change those unilaterally) what is to ensure enforcement.

EG.
Hagwon needs teacher.
Foreign recruiting company has teacher.
Hagwon sends money abroad.
Teacher gets on the plane.

Who is to know whether the foreigner was recruited by a foreigner or direct by the school?

In this day and age of instant communication, such a law (making foreign recruiters illegal) would be unenforcable.

Like I said...
"Another 1/2 baked idea, poorly thought out and no real idea of the implications or implimentation.
Stupidity at it's finest. "


Additionally, they can't enforce the laws they have on the books now in regards to taxes, medical, pension, and they still have a problem with tourists working in hakwons... what makes you think anything will really change with this. Enforcement will be non-existant.

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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somehow I feel that the actual goal behind all of these new measures is to:

A. Control the flow of money in the industry
B. Attempt to kill the hagwons
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bellum99



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As soon as they can kill the hakwons we can all be happy. The losers will go home and stop coming here and the lifers here will make huge money from teaching English because of high demand. I hope the Hakwons die screaming and all those lazy fat cheating owners will actually have to work for a living instead of screwing the parents and teachers out of money. Death to the schools and death to the owners!!! Twisted Evil
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think recruiters in Korea would be up in arms about this. Yeah I agree, recruiters outside Korea will have a field day with this.

There is no way to regulate recruiters given the fact some of them operate outside Korea. A bad idea from the beginning.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing is for sure... future announcements coming from the MOJ should be very interesting!
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Optimus Prime



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. I can't believe the Hagwon Associations would take all this lying down.
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am interested to see what happens and how many of these rumors turn out to be true. It does appear that a lot of these measures are meant to hurt hagwons (I like that part of it). I don't think too many hagwons will suffer, they will just go from doing some illegal actions to soing a lot illegal actions. Immigration offices will be too lazy to enforce the new laws and things will stay the same in all likelihood.
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about teachers who find their own replacements? would they be responsible for the successors?
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bellum99 wrote:
As soon as they can kill the hakwons we can all be happy. The losers will go home and stop coming here and the lifers here will make huge money from teaching English because of high demand. I hope the Hakwons die screaming and all those lazy fat cheating owners will actually have to work for a living instead of screwing the parents and teachers out of money. Death to the schools and death to the owners!!! :twisted:


Bellum,

Remember Roch's police and spy agency connections before wishing bankruptcy upon the hogwons.

How's the wife and kid?

Cheers!

R
;)
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