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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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 Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Southern California burning-info on N. San Diego County |
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If any of you are interested in the fires in Northern San Diego County I've heard from many family members are here's the gist of it-some is first hand information, some is second hand:
Edges of Escondido are burned, Wild Animal Park is evacuated and small areas burned, many house lost in Rancho Bernardo, Vista OK, much of Rancho Santa Fe threatened and some burned, across the valley from Rancho Santa Fe to the south most is burned. Ramona has apprently been badly damaged with much burned.
My home, Fallbrook, is under a mandatory evacuation order as of perhaps 18 hours ago. Because ALL ROADS into and out of Fallbrook were closed by fire, the only evacuation route open was across Naval Ammunition Depot Fallbrook, into Camp Pendleton, so some 55,000 people were evacuated (not just Fallbrook, but DeLuz, Bonsall, Sandia Creek, etc. also had to go that way) across Camp Pendleton. Must have driven the Marines NUTS!
North County Times is saying that firefighters have also withdrawn out of Fallbrook onto Camp Pendleton, and the combination of fire updrafts and Santa Ana winds have stopped helicopters from trying to save buildings.
They've also advised Camp Pendleton (which is mostly brush and dry low vegetation) to have an evacuation plan, and stated for the record that the fire is uncontainable and will burn to the sea.
Again, some of this info is from relatives who are in these areas, and some is from what they've been told. Other than the evacuation of Fallbrook, which is all over the news, I don't know ho accurate the info is. |
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MarionG
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| CNN has reported that Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton has started to evacuate, and that the fires have burned across Sandia Creek and Fallbrook into Camp Pendleton/ |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Igotthisguitar ought to be thrown into the fire . |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Igotthisguitar ought to be thrown into the fire . |
MOLOCH !!! 
Battling Blazes For Early Parole:
California's Inmate Firefighters
by David Finnigan
Thu Oct 25, 2:07 PM ET
EL CAJON, United States (AFP) - Thousands of inmates from California's jails are battling on the frontlines of the wildfire crisis, determined to repay their debt to society and hoping their heroism might lead to an early release and a brighter future.
An estimated 2,600 inmates have been deployed to help tackle the series of raging infernos, toiling alongside full-time firefighters who are routinely described as heroes by grateful politicians and public.
"It gives you a little sense of pride, 'cause you're saving houses and stuff," says 40-year-old inmate Benjamin Gonzalez, a "saw man," who is serving in his fourth annual firefighting season in California.
Gonzalez is part of a little-publicized program run by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation aimed at teaching offenders firefighting skills for use when they are not cleaning local and state parks.
Certain inmates -- murderers, rapists, child molesters and convicted gang members -- are barred from serving in the program.
Arsonists are also forbidden from joining 
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usfiresinmates;_ylt=Atn9M1vxv2IcndxgfcFC34IDW7oF |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Anybody heard anything about the crime rate a Qualcomm Stadium? |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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A few illegal immgrants from Mexico were arrested for looting/stealing victim supplies. That would be blue collar looting.
The Federal gov't looting and insurance industry/fraud looting come next. That would be white collar looting. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Meanwhile, the BS starts....
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LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- As wildfires were charging across Southern California, nearly two dozen water-dropping helicopters and two massive cargo planes sat idly by, grounded by government rules and bureaucracy.
A helicopter scoops up water from the TPC at Valencia Golf Course in Valencia, California, Monday.
more photos � How much the aircraft would have helped will never be known, but their inability to provide quick assistance raises troubling questions about California's preparations for a fire season that was widely expected to be among the worst on record.
It took as long as a day for Navy, Marine and California National Guard helicopters to get clearance early this week, in part because state rules require all firefighting choppers to be accompanied by state forestry "fire spotters" who coordinate water or retardant drops. By the time those spotters arrived, the powerful Santa Ana winds stoking the fires had made it too dangerous to fly.
The National Guard's C-130 cargo planes, among the most powerful aerial firefighting weapons, never were slated to help. The reason: They've yet to be outfitted with tanks needed to carry thousands of gallons of fire retardant, though that was promised four years ago.
"The weight of bureaucracy kept these planes from flying, not the heavy winds," Republican U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher told The Associated Press. "When you look at what's happened, it's disgusting, inexcusable foot-dragging that's put tens of thousands of people in danger."
Rohrabacher and other members of California's congressional delegation are demanding answers about aircraft deployment. And some fire officials have grumbled that a quicker deployment of aircraft could have helped corral many of the wildfires that quickly flared out of control and have so far burned 500,000 acres from Malibu to the Mexican border.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and other state officials have defended the state's response, saying the intense winds prevented a more timely air attack.
"Anyone that is complaining about the planes just wants to complain," Schwarzenegger replied angrily to a question Wednesday. "The fact is that we could have all the planes in the world here -- we have 90 aircraft here and six that we got especially from the federal government -- and they can't fly because of the wind."
Indeed, winds reaching 100 mph helped drive the flames and made it exceedingly dangerous to fly. Still, four state helicopters and two from the Navy were able to take off Monday, while nearly two dozen others stayed grounded. Watch 'waterbombing' efforts from the air �
Thomas Eversole, executive director of the American Helicopter Services & Aerial Firefighting Association, a Virginia-based nonprofit that serves as a liaison between helicopter contractors and federal agencies, said valuable time was lost.
"The basis for the initial attack helicopters is to get there when the fire is still small enough that you can contain it," Eversole said. "If you don't get there in time, you quickly run the risk of these fires getting out of control."
The first of the 15 or so fires started around midnight Saturday. By Sunday afternoon, fires were raging in Los Angeles, San Diego and Orange counties.
At the request of firefighters on the ground, at 4 p.m. Sunday the state Office of Emergency Services asked the National Guard to supply four helicopters. Under state rules, a California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection "spotter" must accompany each military and National Guard helicopter to coordinate water drops.
The spotters have 24 hours to report for duty, and it took nearly all that time for them and the National Guard crews to assemble. By the time they were ready to go, the winds had made it unsafe to fly.
The helicopters finally got off the ground Tuesday.
Mike Padilla, aviation chief for the forestry department, acknowledged the Guard's helicopters were ready to fly before the spotters arrived. He said state officials were surprised.
"Typically we're waiting for them to get crews," Padilla said.
In a conference call with reporters Thursday, state officials rejected the notion they were ill-prepared, noting that more than 20 helicopters and airplanes were stockpiled in Southern California ahead of the wildfires because of the danger of flames erupting.
But high winds after the fires began meant "there was very little opportunity" to fly, said the forestry department's director, Ruben Grijalva.
"This is not a resource shortage on those days, this is a weather-condition problem," he said.
That explanation doesn't jibe with what U.S. Rep. Brian Bilbray said state officials told him Tuesday night. Bilbray, who represents parts of San Diego, and other lawmakers were informed that 19 Navy and Marine helicopters were ready to fly, some as early as Sunday but didn't take off because there were no state fire spotters to accompany the crews, said Bilbray's spokesman, Kurt Bardella.
Alarmed, Bilbray quickly helped broker an agreement to waive the spotter requirement, allowing flights to begin Wednesday.
"We told them, 'You don't want the public to be asking why these units weren't flying while we had houses burning,'" Bilbray told the AP.
By the time the helicopters got airborne, the area burned had quadrupled to more than 390 square miles, and the number of homes destroyed jumped from 34 to more than 700.
Criticism from Bilbray and other lawmakers on the call helped lead Grijalva on Wednesday to abandon the state's long-standing policy to have a spotter aboard each aircraft and instead let one spotter orchestrate drops for a squadron of three helicopters.
"I directed them to do whatever was necessary to get those other military assets into operation," Grijava said.
He said he could not explain why more spotters were not deployed before the flames spread to ensure that every aircraft ready to fly could take off.
Regardless, he said, safety -- not availability of spotters -- was the overriding concern in determining when to allow aircraft into the skies.
Padilla said he didn't want the Marines to participate because they "would have been a distraction" since they weren't trained.
"It's no different from me walking into Baghdad and saying, 'I'm ready to fight the bad guys,"' he said. "They would no more want me in their arenas, not being trained, prepared and equipped, than I would want them if they were not trained, prepared and equipped."
The C-130 saga is a much different story.
More than a decade ago, Congress ordered replacement of the aging removable tanks for the military planes because of safety concerns and worries that they wouldn't fit with new-model aircraft. California's firefighting C-130 unit is one of four the Pentagon has positioned across the country to respond to fire disasters.
New tanks were designed, but they failed to fit into the latest C-130s. Designers were ordered back to the drawing board. Republican Rep. Elton Gallegly said Congress was assured the new tanks would be ready by 2003.
Four years later, the U.S. Forest Service and Air Force have yet to approve the revised design. Air Force spokeswoman Capt. Paula Kurtz said "technical and design difficulties" have delayed the program.
Rohrabacher and Gallegly are angered by the delay, which has left no C-130s capable of fighting fires on the West Coast. The last of the older-model C-130s with an original tank was retired by the California National Guard last year.
"It's an absolute tragedy, an unacceptable tragedy," Gallegly said.
The situation meant that rather than deploying C-130s from inside the state, Schwarzenegger was forced to ask Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to call in the six remaining older C-130s from other states as far away as North Carolina.
None of them began fighting the fires until Wednesday afternoon. E-mail to a fri
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