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Dome Vans
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 Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: America should withdraw from Iraq.. |
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| and then invade again with a clearer set of objectives. |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, thank you, I couldn't have said it any better. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Wouldn't be suprised if that is exactly how it goes down. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Then Bush might be known for something good. Wouldn't take that long next time around.  |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| What kind of time frame are we looking at to do that successfully? |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Could a pullout be achieved overnight? |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| What kind of time frame are we looking at to do that successfully? |
Well judging by the fact that Americans and the 'allies' have killed:
75,151 � 81,887 civilians (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/)
650,000 Iraqis in total since 2003 (http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/44459/)
Ok so the first failed war shot to pieces/blew up this many people. So you've killed the majority of the hardcore lot so withdrawing and then invading again will be met with less friction and blowing up of limbs. and then the crying.
Also it might serve as a bit of a decoy, americans leaving with suitcases, cleaning their rooms before checking out and saying goodbye to all the villagers, maybe a few tears. Then all the al-qaedi 'terrorists' will see they've left and will come out of the woodwork and assorted hiding places and have a big party in a city centre somewhere with hats and balloons and cake and then you can drop a really big bomb on them and take them all out in one go.
Then and only then might America be known for a successful war that actually had an objective. Maybe if I found god then Bush might hire me for his team of 'genius planners' not 'delusional, brainless goofballs'
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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So what needs to be included in this plan?
You have stated thre components:
1. Withdraw.
2. Invade again.
3. Set clear objectives.
This appears to be your strategy.
What is your plan?
Statement and Purpose
Objectives (Clearly Defined)
Target
Feasibility
Discuss the Advantages and Disadvantage of this plan include uncertainties.
Enforcement and Oversight
Information management - The Public Trust and support
Resources
Schedules and Timetables, Benchmarks and Milestones
Finance plan |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
So what needs to be included in this plan?
You have stated thre components:
1. Withdraw.
2. Invade again.
3. Set clear objectives.
This appears to be your strategy.
What is your plan?
Statement and Purpose
Objectives (Clearly Defined)
Target
Feasibility
Discuss the Advantages and Disadvantage of this plan include uncertainties.
Enforcement and Oversight
Information management - The Public Trust and support
Resources
Schedules and Timetables, Benchmarks and Milestones
Finance plan |
Wouldn't need all of that, no point. America used these and where's it got them. In fact I'm not entirely sure they used this, good list though. Would reckon that a child could have come up with a better plan for invading Iraq. As long as the Zoo isn't bombed. |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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So, going by the OP's first source, iraqbodycount.org, Americans and their allies have been detonating roadside bombs and operating as suicide bombers...because those are how a great many deaths are attributed on that site. Since we know only Americans and their allies kill civilians, these types of MOs come as quite the surprise....
Thanks for the other source, alternet.org, a self-described "progressive" site. Funny how that term never goes away...it was Western "progressives" decades ago who fell over themselves in the rush to lick the boots of Uncle Joe. The more things change, the more they stay the same.... |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Fail to plan, plan to fail.
That's all I'm sayin'. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
Fail to plan, plan to fail.
That's all I'm sayin'. |
Well put! I saw the idea of thread on a comedy show last night and thought it was a novel idea. Not anything too serious, but made me think. Problem being that I'm a dufus but I suppose everyone's worked that out by now. |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| cbclark4 wrote: |
Fail to plan, plan to fail.
That's all I'm sayin'. |
Well put! I saw the idea of thread on a comedy show last night and thought it was a novel idea. Not anything too serious, but made me think. Problem being that I'm a dufus but I suppose everyone's worked that out by now. |
Pooping on your own thread. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| What kind of time frame are we looking at to do that successfully? |
Well judging by the fact that Americans and the 'allies' have killed:
75,151 � 81,887 civilians (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/)
650,000 Iraqis in total since 2003 (http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/44459/)
Ok so the first failed war shot to pieces/blew up this many people. So you've killed the majority of the hardcore lot so withdrawing and then invading again will be met with less friction and blowing up of limbs. and then the crying.
Also it might serve as a bit of a decoy, americans leaving with suitcases, cleaning their rooms before checking out and saying goodbye to all the villagers, maybe a few tears. Then all the al-qaedi 'terrorists' will see they've left and will come out of the woodwork and assorted hiding places and have a big party in a city centre somewhere with hats and balloons and cake and then you can drop a really big bomb on them and take them all out in one go.
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Only that would never happen. The insurgents are not all one big happy family. They are a bunch of disparate groups that would never gather together. At most you would get two or three. Besides which the AQ terrorists are doing our work for us. Sunni insurgents are turning against them and killing them since the AQ are so indiscriminate about killing Iraqis. |
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