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Unstable ESL Instructors -- What Can Be Done?
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Cognorati



Joined: 09 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Unstable ESL Instructors -- What Can Be Done? Reply with quote

I've noticed that most of the ESL tutors that I'm meeting in Korea seem psychologically unstable (I mean, of the ones who aren't completely inexperienced or straight out of college)-- actually, to be blunt, when speaking with them one inevitably learns that there is some history that makes me question whether they are fit to be around children without formal treatment.

Since beginning work, I've met an instructor who is a licensed therapist, but had a suicide attempt and now believes he has achieved enlightenment/is in league with God; I've met another with a neurological condition which causes mood swings and aggression (he was on fired after 6 months of his tirades and bizarre conduct); I know of one instructor, made a Head Teacher, who is an active alcoholic and had an unstable work history in his native country -- before coming to Korea, he was sleeping in a van and crashing on the streets with homeless people. I've met many people who have questioned whether they are alcoholic (and the use of alcohol in Korea makes the situation worse), and many people who are, well, strange...

It isn't just that they have a history. If they received treatment and show stability, then they may be employable. But these people are not reformed and are actively dysfunctional, and they are around children, sometimes sharing anecdotes of their conduct at work that I believe are clearly inappropriate.

Why are Koreans hiring these people, and why do they keep them on even with CCTV and student complaints? Should Koreans monitor and research work history more closely?

I, for one, would be all for it.
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice, but there are two problems time and money. The director does not want to spend the money doing this. He does not have the time either. When his school has no native speaker he is losing students and money to other institutions. Education is nothing more then a way to make money. The first second you think it is anything else to Koreans, you are just kidding yourself.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Unstable ESL Instructors -- What Can Be Done? Reply with quote

Cognorati wrote:
Why are Koreans hiring these people, and why do they keep them on even with CCTV and student complaints?


maybe because the sane stay home? Wink just kidding, of course. the point is having a native English speaker at a hagwon/public school is seen as something to brag about -- it often doesn't matter if the person is unstable/unbalanced (koreans think of us as weird anyways), as long as they can play the part (and not do anything too bad that rocks the boat).

i definitely agree with u...i've seen a ton of strange and unfit (to be working with kids) foreigners over here.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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before coming to Korea, he was sleeping in a van and crashing on the streets with homeless people.


Was that van down by the river?
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: Unstable ESL Instructors -- What Can Be Done? Reply with quote

Cognorati wrote:
I've noticed that most of the ESL tutors that I'm meeting in Korea seem psychologically unstable (I mean, of the ones who aren't completely inexperienced or straight out of college)-- actually, to be blunt, when speaking with them one inevitably learns that there is some history that makes me question whether they are fit to be around children without formal treatment.

Since beginning work, I've met an instructor who is a licensed therapist, but had a suicide attempt and now believes he has achieved enlightenment/is in league with God; I've met another with a neurological condition which causes mood swings and aggression (he was on fired after 6 months of his tirades and bizarre conduct); I know of one instructor, made a Head Teacher, who is an active alcoholic and had an unstable work history in his native country -- before coming to Korea, he was sleeping in a van and crashing on the streets with homeless people. I've met many people who have questioned whether they are alcoholic (and the use of alcohol in Korea makes the situation worse), and many people who are, well, strange...

It isn't just that they have a history. If they received treatment and show stability, then they may be employable. But these people are not reformed and are actively dysfunctional, and they are around children, sometimes sharing anecdotes of their conduct at work that I believe are clearly inappropriate.

Why are Koreans hiring these people, and why do they keep them on even with CCTV and student complaints? Should Koreans monitor and research work history more closely?

I, for one, would be all for it.


You seem like the sort of person who could change these people for the better. I urge you to do so right away.

P.M. me for some tips.

Sincerely,

R
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Unstable ESL Instructors -- What Can Be Done? Reply with quote

Cognorati wrote:
I've noticed that most of the ESL tutors that I'm meeting in Korea seem psychologically unstable (I mean, of the ones who aren't completely inexperienced or straight out of college)-- actually, to be blunt, when speaking with them one inevitably learns that there is some history that makes me question whether they are fit to be around children without formal treatment.

Since beginning work, I've met an instructor who is a licensed therapist, but had a suicide attempt and now believes he has achieved enlightenment/is in league with God; I've met another with a neurological condition which causes mood swings and aggression (he was on fired after 6 months of his tirades and bizarre conduct); I know of one instructor, made a Head Teacher, who is an active alcoholic and had an unstable work history in his native country -- before coming to Korea, he was sleeping in a van and crashing on the streets with homeless people. I've met many people who have questioned whether they are alcoholic (and the use of alcohol in Korea makes the situation worse), and many people who are, well, strange...

It isn't just that they have a history. If they received treatment and show stability, then they may be employable. But these people are not reformed and are actively dysfunctional, and they are around children, sometimes sharing anecdotes of their conduct at work that I believe are clearly inappropriate.

Why are Koreans hiring these people, and why do they keep them on even with CCTV and student complaints? Should Koreans monitor and research work history more closely?

I, for one, would be all for it.

Well all those you mentioned sounded a bit more on the normal side compared with one coworker I had in Korea. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED!

This guy had a small mixed breed dog that he constantly referred to as �my wife.� Oftentimes, he�d let this dog lick his mouth, tongue and well make faces and noises that would only be appropriate under � let�s just say private human circumstances. I�d see him out and about trying to get this dog pregnant, �so she can have that special experience.� I�d rather not get into those details as to what I saw. But then one day I had to ask him a question so I went and knocked on his door. There was no answer but the shower was running. Later he tells me he couldn�t answer the door because he said, �I was taking a shower with my dog.� Our Korean employers noted how unnatural his relationship was with this dog.

I wish I was making this stuff up and it makes me sick to think about it. Anyway, I understand what the OP is saying.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP- You may receive some flames for this thread, but you are 99.99% accurate with your description of many "teachers." Hagwon owners will hire anyone. Good post.
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee



Joined: 17 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Unstable ESL Instructors -- What Can Be Done? Reply with quote

Vicissitude wrote:

Well all those you mentioned sounded a bit more on the normal side compared with one coworker I had in Korea. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED!

This guy had a small mixed breed dog that he constantly referred to as �my wife.� Oftentimes, he�d let this dog lick his mouth, tongue and well make faces and noises that would only be appropriate under � let�s just say private human circumstances. I�d see him out and about trying to get this dog pregnant, �so she can have that special experience.� I�d rather not get into those details as to what I saw. But then one day I had to ask him a question so I went and knocked on his door. There was no answer but the shower was running. Later he tells me he couldn�t answer the door because he said, �I was taking a shower with my dog.� Our Korean employers noted how unnatural his relationship was with this dog.

I wish I was making this stuff up and it makes me sick to think about it. Anyway, I understand what the OP is saying.


That's disturbing on a about a thousand different levels.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in 2003 when I was applying for jobs, considering China, Japan, Korea, China and Japan had a number of roadblocks. China you needed some medical test. Japan seems to have a rather long visa approval process. Korea was just about showing up. So clearly, it's going to be Darwinian.
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right and the mystical founder of Korea married a bear. Nothing strange about that. Sleep with a bear it's ok, eat a dog it's ok.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting story about the homeless guy. I know a guy who fits that description, however I can't imagine him ever becoming a head teacher. He kept going from contract to contract, and could never finish one due to multiple issues.
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KarenWest1984



Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP - things are going to get better, my friend was reading the korean newspaper the other day & from december a medical & police background check is going to be required for ALL positions. Not that the medical is going to check for unstable people, but it's sure to weed out some of them.
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hugo_danner



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta agree! I've been in and out of Korea since 1995 and for some reason, the worst seem to be concentrated here. Of course, on the other hand, I've met some of the coolest and best teachers in Korea as well.
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
OP- You may receive some flames for this thread, but you are 99.99% accurate with your description of many "teachers." Hagwon owners will hire anyone. Good post.

They need to learn how to interview westerners properly and take the time to ask questions. If they had westerners do the interviewing and screening, it would solve 3/4 of the problems.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a couple ESL teachers here that have a few bolts loose in their head. I just try my best to avoid them.
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