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So...Justice does exist in South Korea
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:17 am    Post subject: So...Justice does exist in South Korea Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/116_36933.html


12-29-2008 17:55

Lee Asks People to Abide by Law
By Michael Ha
Staff Reporter

President Lee Myung-bak said Monday that Korea must continue to embrace the rule of law and that the rich and the powerful must first set an example by strictly following the law and show that the legal system applies equally and fairly to everyone.

Lee made the comment during his New Year policy briefing held at Cheong Wa Dae. Officials from the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of Legislation as well as the Anti-Corruption and Civil Rights Commission presented their briefings to the president.

``First and foremost, the elite members in our society and the government bureaucrats must follow the rule of law without exception and foster a public awareness that everyone is subject to the same rule of law," he said.

President Lee commented that one unfortunate side effect of Korea's accelerated economic development during the past half century is that, sometimes, activities involving illegal elements were tolerated if they were perceived to benefit national economic growth. During times of poverty, national economic development triumphed over everything else.

He added, ``The Korean public is counting on our administration to put an end to corrupt practices."

``Our nation's law-abiding spirit is still not on a par with our leading economic status," he added. ``And that is a major hurdle for us to clear before joining the ranks of advanced nations in the world." The public should also steer away from illegal protests as part of this effort, according to Cheong Wa Dae.

President Lee also pointed to a recent overseas study that argued Korea's ``national brand" is worth less than brand values of the country's top corporations such as Samsung. It ought to be the other way around, he told government officials, and that Korea ought to nurture and maintain a strong national brand.

``This study also showed that Korea's national brand is worth only a fraction of Japan's. Some factors that contributed to this finding include the lack of law-abiding spirit, as well as the ongoing labor problems and the continuing threats from North Korea," he said.

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So, it appears years of letting corporate crooks off the hook has come back to haunt South Korea. Not surprised in the least�there still is a little something called �karma� in the world. Sadly, nothing will change however.
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Beeyee



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh the irony Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beeyee wrote:
Oh the irony Laughing


Doesn't irony usually involve some level of surprise? I mean, is anyone really surprised that years of turning a blind eye to the law in exchange for economic prosperity (of the wealthy) came back to bite Koreans in the bum.
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Goku



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join Me wrote:
Beeyee wrote:
Oh the irony Laughing


Doesn't irony usually involve some level of surprise? I mean, is anyone really surprised that years of turning a blind eye to the law in exchange for economic prosperity (of the wealthy) came back to bite Koreans in the bum.


Yeah I know, most people have picked up on the flagrant violations of a fair justice system for economic protection.

I guess in their mind they are trying ot justify it for the greater good (of their country) but it really undermines the autority of the government and the belief that fairness and equality are principals in South Korea.

It's just good to see that he aknowledges it. Now change is the next step.
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DCJames



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the hell do people here care?

You aren't Korean. You won't be affected by his policies.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
Why the hell do people here care?

You aren't Korean. You won't be affected by his policies.


Sorry, but Koreans participate in the global market. If they want to do that, they need to follow the law like the countries they are trading with. It effects everyone whether they are Korean or not when Korean businesses go around the law (especially when the Korean government condones it) in their quest of profits.

This has been a longggg time coming.


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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Especially ironic coming from Lee Myungbag.
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NoExplode



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
Why the hell do people here care?

You aren't Korean. You won't be affected by his policies.


Ask one of the countless whities who had to put up with yells of "crazy cow" and angry stares this past summer during the beef protests. Yes, resentment over...beef. And we won't get into the whole science-y thing.
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agentX



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess he's tired of having to call police stations to get the police to investigate crimes when they don't (see the elevator pedophile case).
It would also help if judges got their shit together and not give sexual predators probation (incest rape case) or let arsonists off with a warning, or...you get the idea.
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julian_w



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AGeA1O0jtig
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roknroll



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Especially ironic coming from Lee Myungbag.


No Doubt! http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/JH13Dg01.html

Quote:
President Lee Myung-bak's sweeping special pardon of more than 70 convicted South Korean businessmen includes Hyundai Motor chairman Chung Mong-koo, SK Energy chairman Choi Tae-won and Hanwha Group chairman Kim Seung-yeon.

The Korean Chamber of Commerce and Industry said the special pardon will also help to boost transparent corporate governance and ethical management. The presidential office said the move is aimed at revitalizing the Korean economy and helping conglomerates increase employment.

HAHAHAHAHA

Nevertheless, the decision was criticized elsewhere as likely to increase foreign investors' perception that business in Korea was inequitable for non-Koreans while supporting the view that chaebol, family-run corporations with strong government ties, increased corruption and worked to the disadvantage of minority shareholders.

"The pardons demonstrate to foreign investors that there is no level playing field in Korea," Bloomberg News quoted Kim Tae-dong, an economics professor at Sungkyunkwan University in Seoul and former monetary policy maker, as saying. "In order to do business here, you have to join hands with a chaebol, which is no different from the state of affairs before the Asian financial crisis."

"I am aware that there is criticism of the amnesties and personally I oppose them," Lee said in a statement on Tuesday. "But I considered slowing investment and decided that businesses may be facing difficulties."

HAHAHAHA


Hyundai chairman Chung was convicted of embezzlement and breach of duty in February of last year. His three-year prison term was suspended for five years and he is now free to run the automobile conglomerate.

Hanwha's Kim was accused of using his personal security guards to beat up off-duty bar workers in a sensational revenge attack after his son was hurt in a scuffle this year. Kim's jail sentence was also suspended.

SK Energy's Choi was convicted of fraud five years ago, and his jail sentence was also suspended. SK Global Co, an affiliate of SK Energy, misstated 2001 earnings by 1.5 trillion won (US$1.43 billion).
Most of the other convicted businessmen to be pardoned are already out on bail after receiving suspended jail terms on convictions including bribery and accounting fraud.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article4347309.ece

And representing Samsung: Former Samsung chief Lee Kun Hee spared jail in tax case
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a load of shit. How can 2MB talk about this kind of thing while he is pardoning people who clearly comitted crimes. What is the reason for the pardon? Becuase the criminals in question could help Korea's economy? How? By stealing millions of dollars? How does that help the Korean economy?

This kind of shit is what makes Korea and their "national brand" into a joke. "What you say is not as important as what you do." Korea has never got this and are once again showing that they do not get it. What a bloody joke this place is. They need to just be honest about their policies and their believes and they would get more respect. They need to say, we don't care about the law, if you are rich you can do what you want, if you are poor or don't have a position of power you will get screwed, this is the way it was in the Chosun Dynasty and this is the way it is today. At least this is the truth. Why all the lies and double talk? Freaking Korea.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that Korea is repeating the same mistake over and over again with the pardoning of big chebol chiefs. LMB's creditablity is pretty bad at this point and I have a feeling it is going to get worse, to the point that Koreans will regret having elected him.

The other thing I was thinking about when I started reading the thread is the underground economy, which is a problem as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mebbe cuz there's this thing called 'da internet' and korea keeps getting embarrassed by its 아저씨부대 and the ridiculous crap they pull.
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Beeyee



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Especially ironic coming from Lee Myungbag.


Indeed, that is what I was making reference to.
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