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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: Bomb Iran, majority of Americans says in new poll |
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Bomb Iran, majority of Americans says in new poll
Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday October 30, 2007
Despite President Bush's perpetually abysmal approval ratings, it appears his increasingly hostile rhetoric against Iran has drummed up enough fear of a "nuclear holocaust" or a World War III that a majority of Americans are in favor of a US strike against the country aimed a curtailing its apparent nuclear ambitions, a new poll shows.
The Zogby International survey shows 52 percent of Americans would support a strike on Iran, while 53 percent expect President Bush to launch such an attack before the end of his second term. Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton is voters' No. 1 choice to deal with Iran, with 21 percent saying they would like to see her take on Tehran from the White House. Republican Rudy Giuliani was voters' second choice, with 15 percent.
Just 29 percent of Americans think the US should not attack Iran, with one in five people unsure about military action. Of those who would support a strike, 28 percent believe military action should wait until the next president is in office, while 23 percent want to see Bush let lose US missiles against Iran.
The poll results were viewed with a "Here we go again" attitude from bloggers chagrined at the apparent lack of lessons learned by Americans as the war launched against another hostile Middle Eastern regime stretches towards its fifth year.
"It is utterly stunning that, after the great difficulties we have clearly faced in Iraq (a situation far from finished, by the way), that an absolute majority would favor a strike on Iran at this time," writes Dr. Steven Taylor at PoliBlog. "Even if we assume that the die-hard 25%-30% who still approve of the way the President is doing his job also are in favor of such a strike, where do the other 27%-22% come from to get the pro-strike total to 52%?"
The support for an Iranian strike coincides with substantial fears of further terrorist attacks demonstrated in the Zogby poll. More than two-thirds of Americans (68 percent) believe another terrorist attack is likely on US soil and nearly one-in three believe such a strike will come before 2010.
Polls conducted prior to the invasion of Iraq showed larger majorities of Americans in favor of military action, and around 80 percent of Americans believed Iraq posed a threat to the United States in late 2002 and early 2003.
Don Surber, blogging for West Virginia's Charleston Daily Mail compared the speculation over a strike on Iran to another showdown over nuclear proliferation nearly half a century ago.
"I was in grade school when the Cuban Missile Crisis happened 45 Octobers ago. I was gung-ho for taking Castro out. Wiser heads prevailed � in the Soviet Union as well as the United States," he writes. "The security of the world rests on American shoulders. I�d bet against a military strike. There are enough wiser heads on both sides." |
i find that very shocking. do you think this poll is a fair representation? |
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genezorm
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Mokpo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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52%?!?!?!!? it should be 102%.....
i heard on fox news and cnn that iran was planning on getting the weapons for destruction or BLTs as they is known, and they are going to attack america if we don't get them first or they will try to steal our freedom from us |
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Treefarmer
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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i think america will definetely lose this war
iran isn't some tinpot country like iraq, they are a mini-superpower with powerful friends
america has no friends |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Bomb Iran, majority of Americans says in new poll |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
| i find that very shocking. do you think this poll is a fair representation? |
Given that the consensus now is that Bush lied to us about Iraq, I cannot comprehend how people can trust him (or Cheney) about Iran. Of course, Cheney going around preparing us for a nuclear attack on our own soil does not help things.
I also must question the accuracy of this poll as it is not stated how it was conducted nor its confidence interval. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Bomb Iran, majority of Americans says in new poll |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| i find that very shocking. do you think this poll is a fair representation? |
Given that the consensus now is that Bush lied to us about Iraq, I cannot comprehend how people can trust him (or Cheney) about Iran. Of course, Cheney going around preparing us for a nuclear attack on our own soil does not help things.
I also must question the accuracy of this poll as it is not stated how it was conducted nor its confidence interval. |
Two words: National Security. That's how they'll push through this one through although I think that the male posturing that is coming across now is not destined for anything.
If you see how America's "plan" for Iraq went so well, do you really think anyone in their right mind would back them in a third quagmire.
There's being patriotic and there's being just downright stupid.
Although I feel that the cross section of this poll doesn't reflect the majority view, just very a selected, needed view. |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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this is silly because the "majority" of Americans want to bomb Iran, but if we were to do a basic survey (where is Iranis on a map, what language they speak, etcc...) an even larger majority would fail....
This is becuase everyone in America reads and watches absolute garbage news and believes every word of it...its a shame really |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I find it not a little amusing that many on the political left denounce professional organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations as nondemocratic and incompatible with American democracy because such ngos do not answer to Congress or the American people when advising the government on foreign affairs.
On the other hand, the same political left denounces the American people as among the stupidest on the planet and also expresses great shock that so many of the American people can so easily express belligerence. Do not forget that, had they had the power to decide, many of the American people would simply have nuked Saddam in 1990-1991 and they would have nuked Afghanistan after 9/11.
Take care what you wish for... |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| France may do the bombing without US. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
I find it not a little amusing that many on the political left denounce professional organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations as nondemocratic and incompatible with American democracy because such ngos do not answer to Congress or the American people when advising the government on foreign affairs.
On the other hand, the same political left denounces the American people as among the stupidest on the planet and also expresses great shock that so many of the American people can so easily express belligerence. Do not forget that, had they had the power to decide, many of the American people would simply have nuked Saddam in 1990-1991 and they would have nuked Afghanistan after 9/11.
Take care what you wish for... |
i'm scared of you...seriously |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yet another poster who will respond with little more than pathetic attempts to be witty or -- and this is even more pathetic -- actual melodrama. Neither here nor there, however.
You expressed "shock" when you read this story. At least, so you say.
Very well, then. What are your thoughts on organizations like CFR, the Foreign Policy Association, or the Rand Corporation bypassing the American people in advising the American govt (White House, NSC, and, on another level, State, Defense, and Senate Foreign Relations Committee, for instance) on foreign affairs? Should we disband such organizations and take it democratically, or straight from the American people?
Let us take a vote, then, from the American people on how the American govt ought to respond to the challenges Tehran poses today, shall we...?
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Tony_Balony
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Americans have had a hard-on for for Iran for 25 years. This is not new.
They (we) still want payback for the hostage episode.
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Yet another poster who will respond with little more than pathetic attempts to be witty or -- and this is even more pathetic -- actual melodrama. Neither here nor there, however. |
that was not an attempt to be witty. i read your post on the way out the door and it shocked me. put a chill down my spine so i responed. i replied with the first thoughts that came to mind.
i am quite aware of how desensitized we all are to war and violence, but there is always the odd comment or movie that brings the reality all back to me. your comment brought that reality back, and that is scary.
to answer your question, i think both avenues are one in the same. i wouldn't say the organizations represent 'the people' of america beyond the top 2%. obviously not a fair representation. but then again, isn't it the job of the government to represent the people?
so where does the common american fit in the equation? and lets not forget it isn't just americans in the equation. where do they fit?
so to answer your question, i'd basically have to say they both equally suck at the moment. both have potential, but like everything else, it all depends on the people in charge. i don't think responsible people have been incharge of either for a long time. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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I suspect that the poll is reasonably accurate. It would be interesting to see how many Germans, British, French and Spanish think there will be another terrorist attack in their countries. I'd bet my month's paycheck that the figures would be roughly similar. I'm surprised it's 'only' 68% of Americans.
We've had 7 years of a president rattling sabers and espousing pre-emptive wars. Bush was irresponsible for saying a nuclear Iran would lead to WWIII. People are legitimately concerned about terrorist attacks and are legitimately petrified at the idea of a nuclear bomb going off in downtown New York.
I wish the reporter had quoted the question that got the 52% positive response. How it was worded makes a big difference in how to interpret the 52%. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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The Zogby poll is very different from the results of this CNN poll.
Congrats to Dome Vans and bacasper and even the OP for maintaining justified suspicion. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the above.
| Tony_Balony wrote: |
Americans have had a hard-on for for Iran for 25 years. This is not new.
They (we) still want payback for the hostage episode. |
And the pay they want back is in the form of OIL. |
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