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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Changes in Visa Requirements for Foreigners Reply with quote

Visa Rule Tightened for Foreign Instructors
By Bae Ji-sook, The Korea Times (October 28, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2007/10/117_12672.html
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From December, foreigners will have to submit diplomas and police check documents, when applying for a visa to get a job as foreign language instructor here. In addition, they will be required to have an interview with a Korean consular official to work to teach in that capacity, the Ministry of Justice announced Saturday.

From now on, those with criminal records involving sex offences, narcotics and diploma fabrication will not have their visas renewed, a Ministry spokesman said. He added that a special department will be created in the Justice Ministry to verify documents, especially academic records of foreigners.

The wrongdoings of unqualified foreign instructors have been a headache for the government....


Entry requirements for foreign teachers to be toughened
By Cho Ji-hyun, The Korea Herald (October 29, 2007)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2007/10/29/200710290009.asp
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Starting in December, foreign English teachers coming to Korea will be required to submit their criminal and health records when applying for their visas, the Justice Ministry said on Saturday.
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Bigs



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favourite is the interview...
If I decide to apply in my home country (Australia), would tham mean I'd have to fly for 5 hours (from Perth - yeah yeah... no jokes Razz), at my own expense, to have a 15-30 minute interview!?

Watch either (or both) there being no teachers come to Korea, or this getting rolled back within a couple of months.
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LexusNexus



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigs wrote:
My favourite is the interview...
If I decide to apply in my home country (Australia), would tham mean I'd have to fly for 5 hours (from Perth - yeah yeah... no jokes Razz), at my own expense, to have a 15-30 minute interview!?

Watch either (or both) there being no teachers come to Korea, or this getting rolled back within a couple of months.


Yeah, I agree.

The interview is not feasible. I think the notion of the interview will die pretty quickly.

And yes, a decrease in NES teachers, even slightly, will be good for us, in RoK.
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MarionG



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's with the health records business? Will "She/he doesn't have AIDS" do it?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless of course they mean to run interviews in the applicants country through the various consulates/embassies.

Some Japanese ESL companies do this as doe some government sponsored programs.

It is not impossible that the larger hakwon chains/school boards would be able to set that up by coordinating with Embassies/Consulates abroad.

You could also see Immigration/Ministry of Justice get involved in this process through the placement of more personel abroad to run checks and verifications.

Do not dismiss this too quickly.

As for asking a teacher to fly to Korea for an interview....that would be counter-productive. Some universities do require in person interviews already and will not do phone interviews. I know of many that simply reject applications from abroad (including the University I work at).

You could also see Korean schools attending education fairs abroad in greater numbers. I know I suggested to my administrator he send a couple of people to the annual international education fair in Toronto. He is working with other universties to see if that is worth it.

These are all possible options.

Will checks get tighter?

I sure hope they will! Korea might see a drop in the # of teachers initially but perhaps someone figured out that the ESL market here would just end up winning in the mid to long run as the overall quality of teachers would improve. Of course, to attract those better teachers you need to fix certain endemic problems in the system here...but thats another debate and bureaucrats being typically short-sighted....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It did require a criminal background record check from my local police station in the states to get my hagwon job last December. They ran my name through their computers which queried all departments in the 50 states as they are all linked together and printed a form that said, "No Record Found" in about 10 minutes for $7. Since I was ready by having all necessary materials together upon accepting the position electronically, it only took 3 weeks to process the visa and arrive in Korea. I hope the critical last minute nature of the timing of the process goes as smooth next time as to prevent delays or a missed flight waiting on the visa stamp. I do realize that if you are taking a public school position, it will take longer as they have to FedEx you the paper contract to sign and then you FedEx it back which I suspect easily adds 2 weeks to the process. Hopefully they work in a timely manner as I already know who I want to work for, what type of job, and province location for next March. I am already preparing to apply and get my documents together in attempt to not arrive late or be beat out of position by other applicants. It could be possible for me to interview in Korea in December since I am still here, but only on a weekend as I have to be a job like most of you. It really is not practical to do in person interviews which is why it's not usually done.

The new consular interview rule could be a problem as when I called the Korean consulate in Chicago a couple times, no one would speak English with me, but my recruiter told me what to do, I did it, and everything went well. I don't see how they could learn anything about an E-2 applicant during a consular interview that would cause a denial of visa issuance. I am not sure how they are looking to use this as a visa issuance method, but they should have just one call center such as at the head immigration office manned by a couple English speaking Koreans if they are politically motivated enough by a chain of recent negative events to actually waste their time and resources like this.
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Boodleheimer



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Unless of course they mean to run interviews in the applicants country through the various consulates/embassies.


10 consulates in the US
4 in Australia
2 in New Zealand
1 in South Africa
1 in the UK
4 in Canada
1 in Ireland
(according to planetesl)

if i were from the American Midwest, my choices would probably be Chicago, Houston, and ... LA.

so, would you pay for the plane ticket? i think i'd just try Taiwan instead.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so, would you pay for the plane ticket? i think i'd just try Taiwan instead.


That would indeed be the applicants choice.

I know of at least one Japanese ESL chain who ran interviews in Toronto and Vancouver only. It was up to applicants to show up.....

It could therefore happen. It would affect the # of teachers recruited to be sure but perhaps this is a lesser evil than letting in any joe with a B.A. with minimal checks.....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One says criminal check and interview. The other says criminal check, health check and interview.

What?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
One says criminal check and interview. The other says criminal check, health check and interview.

What?


Another one (in Korean) says prospective teachers will also be checked to see if they've inhaled in their home countries.

http://news.kbs.co.kr/article/society/200710/20071028/1449548.html

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이를 위해 오는 12월부터 비자 발급때 해당 국가 정부에서 발행하는 범죄경력 유무 증명서와 마약 흡입 여부 등에 대한 건강진단서 제출을 의무화하기로 했습니다.
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
One says criminal check and interview. The other says criminal check, health check and interview.

What?


Another one (in Korean) says prospective teachers will also be checked to see if they've inhaled in their home countries.

http://news.kbs.co.kr/article/society/200710/20071028/1449548.html

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이를 위해 오는 12월부터 비자 발급때 해당 국가 정부에서 발행하는 범죄경력 유무 증명서와 마약 흡입 여부 등에 대한 건강진단서 제출을 의무화하기로 했습니다.


So if I go home after this contract, I can't partake in a puff? That sucks.
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also said that these regs are for people apply for visas in their home country. There is a loophole if you are in Korea. I guess this is only for the interview at a consulate. It has also been better to come to Korea and look for a job to make sure it is a good school. Now it will be better to avoid having to fly to a consulate to have an interview.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys think there's a chance that it'll be a once-only interview for us? Or do you imagine that we'll have to go through the process every time we change jobs?
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Alexander



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KWhitehead wrote:
4 in Australia


Try 2. If you're in Sydney or Canberra, you're fine. The rest of the country is stuffed.

Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aarontendo wrote:
You guys think there's a chance that it'll be a once-only interview for us? Or do you imagine that we'll have to go through the process every time we change jobs?


what if you turn into a pedophile, though? you know, you're okay the first year, but then the second or third year you're not safe. Wink
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