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fiveeagles

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Bulsajo

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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on who you talk to.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=57018
For example, Michael Chricton would say that Gore is fearmongering...
Does Gore truly believe what he is saying is true? I'm certain he does.
And he might very well be right.
As I mentioned before, IPY in 2007-2008 should answer a lot of our questions on climate change:
http://www.ipy.org/index.php
"The Polar Regions are remote areas of the Earth that have profound significance for the Earth's climate and ultimately environments, ecosystems and human society. However we still remain remarkably ignorant of many aspects of how polar climate operates and its interaction with polar environments, ecosystems and societies. To have any hope of understanding the current global climate and what might happen in future the science community needs a better picture of conditions at the poles and how they interact with and influence the oceans, atmosphere and land masses. Existing climate models do not work well in the polar regions and have for example failed to predict the dramatic break-up of Antarctic ice shelves observed in recent years. The three fastest warming regions on the planet in the last two decades have been Alaska, Siberia and parts of the Antarctic Peninsula, Thus the Polar Regions are highly sensitive to climate change and this raises real concern for the future of polar ecosystems and Arctic society.
There have been a number of major international science initiatives in Polar Regions since the first International Polar Year in 1882-83 and all have had a major influence in overhauling our understanding of global processes in these important areas. These initiatives have involved an intense period of interdisciplinary research, collecting a broad range of measurements that provide a snapshot in time of the state of the polar regions. The last such initiative was the International Geophysical Year in 1957-58, involving 80,000 scientists from 67 countries.
It produced unprecedented exploration and discoveries in many fields of research and fundamentally changed how science was conducted in the polar regions. Fifty years on, technological developments such as earth observation satellites, autonomous vehicles and molecular biology techniques offer enormous opportunities for a further quantum step upwards in our understanding of polar systems. An IPY in 2007-2008 also affords an opportunity to engage the upcoming generation of young Earth System scientists and to get the public to realize just how much the cold ends of the sphere we all live on really do influence us. To ensure that researchers get the opportunity to work in both polar regions or work summer and winter if they wish, the Polar Year will actually run from March 2007-March 2009."
I imagine we will be discussing this subject here as well as the film for some time to come... |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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An Inconvenient Spoof
Pretty lame, but I might as well post it before Sundubuman does. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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First person to find it on a download site, please report back! |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Ahhh
So that's what the South Park episode with ManBearPig is all about.
It's just some more sensationalist fear mongering to get people stirred up.
The republicans have terrorism and now the democrats have global warming. It's all much ado about nothing - elements of truth in both, but
nothing that requires hysteria or dramatic soundtracks. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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For example, Michael Chricton would say that Gore is fearmongering...
Does Gore truly believe what he is saying is true? I'm certain he does.
And he might very well be right. |
I agree that there is global warming, maybe not for the same reasons as Gore. However, is Gore doing it just to win political points? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
I agree that there is global warming, maybe not for the same reasons as Gore.
However, is Gore doing it just to win political points? |
Crocodile Tears?
Word has it he will likely be running for "election" in the next Presidential term.
Mere political opportunism or a genuinely grave concern?
The only thing we can say for certain is that people will make of it whatever they want. |
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Bulsajo

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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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sonshine20
Joined: 17 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Would a movie like that win him political points? I don't think so... |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'll just add that after seeing him on Jay Leno's Tonight show I didn't get the impression that he's focused on becoming the President. According to political pundits he would be well positioned to make a bid late in the campaign to break a deadlock - or to offer the only alternative to having Hillary as the party's nominee (if the other stop-Hillary forces fail ...) He also struck me as a tad too fat and too slow at this stage of his life to inspire enough confidence among the populus to win.... |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
fiveeagles wrote: |
I agree that there is global warming, maybe not for the same reasons as Gore.
However, is Gore doing it just to win political points? |
Crocodile Tears?
Word has it he will likely be running for "election" in the next Presidential term.
Mere political opportunism or a genuinely grave concern?
The only thing we can say for certain is that people will make of it whatever they want. |
Actually if you followed the news, Gore has said he has no intention of running again.
It's sad your such a partisan hack. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Al Gore Plans Climate-Change Mega-Concert
Thu Feb 15, 9:29 PM
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Former US vice-president Al Gore and the producers of Live 8 plan to rock the world with top artists like the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Mana in a massive 24-hour global concert to save the planet from global warming.
Scheduled to take place at key capitals around the globe on July 7, Live Earth is expected to pull an audience of two billion people across multiple media -- live, online, by broadcast and on wireless devices -- Gore and the promoters said Thursday in a press conference.
Under the banner "Save Our Selves" -- SOS -- the mega-concert will be held "on 7/7/07 across all seven continents" aiming to trigger an international movement to combat global warming.
"In order to solve the climate crisis, we have to reach billions of people," said Gore, an environmental activist and former presidential candidate.
"We are launching SOS and Live Earth to begin a process of communication that will mobilize people all over the world to take action," he said.
Gore has undertaken a one-man crusade warning of the dire threat posed by global warming and his documentary on the subject, "An Inconvenient Truth," is nominated for an Oscar at this year's Academy Awards.
Live shows are planned for Shanghai, Sydney, Johannesburg, and London, and yet-undecided sites in Brazil, Japan, the United States, and possibly other countries.
Producing the massive project will fall to Kevin Wall, credited with the immense success of the 2005 Live 8 global concert to raise awareness about world poverty.
The event will feature more than 100 headliner artists, including on the initial list Red Hot Chili Peppers, Faith Hill, Snoop Dogg, Paolo Nutini, Pharrell, Enrique Iglesias, and Black Eyed Peas.
"We're engaging them and everyone in between," Wall said.
Wall's Control Room production company will put on the events on an eco-friendly basis designed to be carbon-neutral, avoiding any net emissions that would aggravate global warming.
Planners say the events will involve all renewable energy sources, biodegradable plastics and energy-saving devices. The travel of Live Earth artists and staff will be offset through carbon credits, organizers said in a statement.
The operation was announced launched Thursday at the California Science Center in Los Angeles by Wall and Gore, who in the past three years has become a global apostle in the fight against climate change.
"The climate crisis will only be stopped by an unprecedented and sustained global movement. We hope to jump-start that movement right here, right now, and take it to a new level on July 7, 2007," Gore said Thursday.
"Our climate crisis affects everyone, everywhere, and that's who SOS is aimed at," Wall said.
"Only a global response can conquer our climate crisis. SOS asks all people to Save Our Selves because only we can."
Other artists in the initial list of 25 -- which Wall said would grow to more than 100 -- include Akon, Duran Duran, Lenny Kravitz, John Legend, Bon Jovi and bloc Party.
Concert organizers said that Live Earth will be implemented with "a new Green Event Standard that will become the model for carbon-neutral concerts and other live events in the future."
The global show will be backed by the Alliance for Climate Protection, chaired by Gore, and technology giant Microsoft's MSN giant Internet portal. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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happeningthang wrote: |
It's all much ado about nothing - elements of truth in both, but
nothing that requires hysteria or dramatic soundtracks. |
It's not about nothing, far from it. And Al is not recommending or inciting hysteria, he's recommending doing something about it. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Bulsajo wrote: |
It depends on who you talk to. |
More acccurately, it depends on whether you have been paid off by Exxon or not.
Not many years ago, climate change was a tiny field in which the participants were called kooks. It very slowly became accepted as possible. The Exxon went into full bullshit mode and kept it in limbo for years. They delayed real action by AT LEAST a decade. All based on lies.
There may be a few true skeptics out there, but the percentage is now tiny. Before I believe any of them, I want full disclosure of their finances and any and all connections to anything that leads back to Exxon.
There is no real debate on this issue. It is a disservice to claim their is. It is, essentially a lie to present it that way. The number of scientists legitimately claiming this isn't strongly impacted by human action is truly tiny. It is time to stop pretending there is a legitimate debate here. It is time to start the debate on *what to do about it.* |
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