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N.Y. Mom rescues abducted son in S.K.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: N.Y. Mom rescues abducted son in S.K. Reply with quote

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23836311/

What a wild story. I applaud the woman for being strong.
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Almost 800,000 American children are reported missing each year, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. About one-quarter of them are abducted by family members.

Hubba?

That number is huge!
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this part.

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The men surveyed the school while Rubin waited in the hotel. Security seemed to be lax there, Rubin said, and the next day she went to her son's classroom and called his name.


My boyfriend came to school yesterday, walked past the VP's office, took the elevator to the fourth floor, stood outside my room until I gave him a set of keys, and went back outside the same way. Not one person asked who he was. My students saw him and didn't even ask me who he was.

When I taught in the States, only ONE set of doors was open from the outside and your HAD to check in at the front office or you'd be thrown out.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FBI spokesman Matthew Bertron said the bureau was attempting to work with South Korea to secure Salko's arrest and extradition.


Hopefully that works out.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that number of 800,000 was also huge, so I looked up some statistics:

"The NISMART-2 estimate (based on survey-based sampling) is that 1.35 million children are lost by their caretakers every year, and about 0.79 million of these are reported to law enforcement. There is about a 1.8% chance that you will lose your child this year.

Here is a breakdown:

Episode Type Estimated Total
Nonfamily abduction.........................33,000*
Family abduction............................117,200
Runaway/Thrownaway ...................628,900
Missing involuntary, Lost, or Injured 198,300
Missing benign explanation............. 374,700

So there are the numbers.

Usually when children go missing, it is not because they are taken: it is because they run away, get kicked out, get lost, or some innocent confusion. And when they do get abducted, they are typically taken by relatives in a custody dispute.

*Of course, some children are abducted by strangers each year. The starred figure estimates children who are abducted by a nonfamily person for an hour or more. But these events are rare enough that the researchers had to make a special note that, due to the small sample size, their survey methodology cannot accurately measure the frequency. Their confidence interval for this figure is between 2,000-64,000.

To more accurately represent how many kidnappings happen every year, the NISMART researchers point us to law enforcement statistics that count children abducted overnight or subject to more serious threats. Using this definition, there were 115 kidnappings in the year of the study. So stereotypical kidnapping does happen, and it is dangerous, but it is a freakish occurrence. Getting hit by lightning is more common."

http://davidbau.com/archives/2007/02/25/kidnapping_statistics.html
I was relieved (I guess that's the word) that there are only 115 kidnappings a year when kids are in true danger. While being taken in a custody battle between parents must be upsetting, it is not the same level of seriousness as what I think of as kidnapping.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any guesses on what percentage of kids are abducted by e.g. satantic cults?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080327/ts_afp/francebelgiumbritaincrimetrial_080327174442
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any guesses on what percentage of kids are abducted by e.g. satantic cults?


Wouldn't you have more 'in-sight' on this than any of us, given that you have an in-side track?
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have no clue about the particulars of the story.

Here's a woman who may be bilking child support to support a drug habit, HACKS the man's email, then goes to Korea, LIES to the school, and kidnaps her son and puts a wig on him to DECEIVE the police.

She's a HERO though, because the man had taken the boy to Korea after the courts decided he should not have custody. And we know the courts are ALWAYS right.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's positively a brave and courageous woman - ! Her son must be so happy - men like that are the scum of the earth - they are so abusive, so juvenile - they can't stand the fact their wives won't stand to be controlled - and make no mistake about this, his abducting the child was about control, power, nothing less.

Good to hear a good story once in a while ! thanks for posting!
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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Any guesses on what percentage of kids are abducted by e.g. satantic cults?


Wouldn't you have more 'in-sight' on this than any of us, given that you have an in-side track?


Who says i have more insight?

IS this by chance what you're afraid of? Certainly seems like it could be.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=116449&highlight=children

Inside track?

What's that supposed to mean?
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OneWayTraffic



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
She's positively a brave and courageous woman - ! Her son must be so happy - men like that are the scum of the earth - they are so abusive, so juvenile - they can't stand the fact their wives won't stand to be controlled - and make no mistake about this, his abducting the child was about control, power, nothing less.

Good to hear a good story once in a while ! thanks for posting!


And exactly what do you base this conclusion on?
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-Ta Boy quipped to IGTG:

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Wouldn't you have more 'in-sight' on this than any of us, given that you have an in-side track?


Surprised Smile Very Happy Laughing
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:
moosehead wrote:
She's positively a brave and courageous woman - ! Her son must be so happy - men like that are the scum of the earth - they are so abusive, so juvenile - they can't stand the fact their wives won't stand to be controlled - and make no mistake about this, his abducting the child was about control, power, nothing less.

Good to hear a good story once in a while ! thanks for posting!


And exactly what do you base this conclusion on?


duh, his actions?? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any guesses on what percentage of kids are abducted by e.g. satantic cults?


Very few, if any, according to the author's of this book.

http://tinyurl.com/262g5x

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Journalist Nathan and lawyer Snedeker, both involved in debunking ritual-abuse cases, have produced a thoughtful investigation of how and why such cases have led to "moral panic" over the past 15 years. They trace how emerging theories about sex abuse?which proclaimed children's truthfulness?led to a situation in which social workers supplanted police as investigators, and how changes in family and gender relations (including victimology feminism) fueled social preoccupation with demonology. They look closely at several cases, including the notorious McMartin case in California, which led to paranoiac attitudes toward public child care and to a growing "ritual-abuse industry." Reproducing case transcripts, the authors show how children's testimony was led; nevertheless, civil libertarians shied away from challenging such cases: "demonization of child sexual abuse as society's ultimate evil has rendered it so holy as to be virtually immune to reasoned analysis." The authors believe that real sexual abuse, especially incest, is underreported, and recommend that investigators be better trained as well as granted only limited immunity from malpractice. More broadly, they see a need to educate children in such a way that they develop psychological and sexual integrity.
Copyright 1995 Reed Business Information, Inc.


I've read this book, and it's quite convincing, even given the obvious bias of the writers. The daycare cases specifically are viewed as almost a form of class warfare, in which social workers tried to bolster their shaky professional credentials by accusing daycare workers, even lower on the professional hierarchy, of ritual abuse.

http://tinyurl.com/262g5x
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the interest of balance, here is a radio interview with a professor from my hometown uni who thinks that there is credible evidence that ritual abuse, with satanic and/or masonic overtones, is to some extent a real phenomenon. He emphasizes that this would be done by a tiny minority of deviant freemasons. Kent is also of the opinion that there were in fact tunnels found under the McMartin Day Care in California. This is a hotly contested issue among people who follow the SRA controversy.

It's a crank website, but he is not affiliated with it, and is a well-regarded scholar in the field of sociology. I remain skeptical, though.

http://tinyurl.com/yogo6o
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