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School won't pay. Now what?

 
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Duder



Joined: 23 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 3:45 am    Post subject: School won't pay. Now what? Reply with quote

My girlfriend and I finished at a school in Daegu about two months ago and the school kept 300,000won each for bills. Which is completely insane. They said they would pay us the left over amount in about two months. After they paid the outstanding bills. We figured 'no big deal we are just moving up to Seoul to get another job so..alright'. WE give the school more then 2 months and call them up. The director says that the school does not have enough money this month and can't pay us. The school is a massive chain school called DING DING DANG. SO now what? give more time or go in yelling?

Should have known the school would do us, just by the name.
thanks
Evil or Very Mad
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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get in touch with EFL Law and they'll give you some good, free, legal advice. Send them an email:
[email protected] They're usually very quick to respond.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be leaving my school in a week and a half, so can relate.
When I arrived at the school I met the teacher I was relieving early. After she left, the boss was up in arms that she didn't pay her entire utilities bill. Even though the bill arrived after she left, there was 60,000 won to pay; hell is going to pay! The boss was stomping around talking through gritted teeth like a Korean Chartlon Heston.
So about this time I receive a little pay advance after work one night. We'd just straightened out that I'd be payed the same as the previous, inexperienced teacher, and had each other's best interests to heart in a hallowed, turn over a new leaf and start afresh manner, very sacred. During this meeting the boss mentioned the unpaid gas bill left behind by the previous teacher, is all. I didn't count the advance (400,000 won) at the table; my mistake. Because it was 60,000 won short. Without mentioning it, he had made me responsible for the previous teachers unpaid gas bill! And it was all so polite.
I didn't mention it. It was too late. Ought to have counted the dough. My mistake. Oops. The odd thing was we'd just 'cleared the air' and arranged to start on a new footing;sincere, genuine. Never mind that I signed for a one-year contract but received a ten month visa. So this boss is seeing me as a patsy, apparently. Politely ripping me off behind the scenes.
OP, you should have NEVER allowed the boss to hold 300,000 won pay for bills that might come after you leave, or 'damages', or whatever (the apt.). But you know that already. When you are leaving a school the boss should be standing back and treating you with the same consideration as when you first arrived. It 'looks good'. Boss doesn't want any fuss or disruption, smooth transition to the next employee. What would the teacher replacing you think about this 300,000 won withheld pay?It looks like a rip-off. A teacher should have all his focus on getting the last month's pay, and let the boss know there's a hair-trigger on the alarm should it not be forthcoming. You were ripped-off your last month pay, basically. Oops. And they were so polite about it Cool !
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that nonsense over a mere 60,000 won? Man, it never fails to amaze me how tight-fisted some of these people are, even some who have a billion won in the bank. One former boss (who was quite rich I heard) cancelled a subscription to the newspaper to save that 20,000/month. I hate when they try to nickel and dime you out of a few hundred bucks. And if you finish the contract, do your job properly and all, many will be uptight about the severance, try to pay you only half, or try to get you to pay as much as they can get from you for your airplane ticket home. When's it's good for them you must follow the contract. When it's in your favor, however, guess what can happen with many of these greedy buggers? Enough said. Well if it's too much hassle for a small amount I'd probably cut my losses and be happy to move on. One guy i know though was going to get ripped off a lot, so he threatened to burn the place down! He threw a tantrum and got his cash. Sometimes freaking out in anger works. Oh another place I worked at a few years back said they'd cover the visa run and expense for Japan, then promptly took the 500,000 out of the next payday. They did that to me and the other foreigner, so we both said give it back or no foreign teacher. They gave it back but held a grudge against us like we were greedy or unfair! Amazing.
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Lost Seoul



Joined: 10 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: School won't pay. Now what? Reply with quote

Duder wrote:
SO now what? give more time or go in yelling?


Neither, your only (faint) hope of seeing that money again is to try and get a third party ie the Ministry of Labor to act on your behalf. For a list of regional offices go to.


http://www.molab.go.kr/English/abou/sub_3_2.jsp

Here is a list of other bodies that may be able to assist you if the MOL will not help you:


Archdiocese of Seoul Foreign Workers' Labor Counselling Office: Tel: 02-779-2049 Tel: 02-319-9650 Fax: 02-773-2627 3F, Jeo-Dong, 1 Ga 27-2, Jung-Gu, Seoul 100-031 Sunday - Friday 1pm - 6pm Seoul Bar

Association Foreign Worker's Law Office: Tel: 02-3476-8080 (extension 5) Near Socho Station (Green line, #2) Exit 7 http://www.seoulbar.or.kr Mondays and Thursdays only

EMMAUS Migrant Worker's Counselling Office 100 Hwaso-Dong, Changan Gu, Suwon City Tel: 031-257-8501 Tel: 031-257-8535 [email protected]

Foreign Worker's Legal Clinic: Tel: 02-508-1745 Fax: 02-565-2839 Monday-Friday 9am-6pm, Saturday 9am-1pm

Foreign Workers Council: 02-928-2049 or 02-924-2706

The Yongsan Police Station in Seoul, near Namyong Station (line 1) has an office specifically to assist foreigners with work related matters.

Labor Standards Division: 02-503-9742

Ministry of Justice: 02-720-2424

Foreign Immigration Bureau: 02-503-7096 or 02-503-7097 English version: http://www.moj.go.kr/mojeng/index.php

Telephone Directory Assistance in English: 080-211-0114
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Duder wrote:
The school is a massive chain school called DING DING DANG.



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JackSarang


Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 188

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 10:23 pm
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Didn't you already post this? Don't work for Ding Ding Dang, its a really scummy chain and the contract is so vague you might as well offer them your first born.

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mishlert

Joined: 14 Mar 2003
Posts: 33
Location: A Korean University
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:49 am
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I had a friend friend fired from that exact school because the school could not get enough students to fill her classes, which meant that she was not working the full hours.
Forget that school.

I did read your contract, and it states 1hr=60min. I hope you know that it means classroom time. Classroom time should be 45/50min=1hr.
Also, there is nothing in the contract stating that you can not be fired after the 10th month, unless you show up drunk, late all the time, break the law, or neglect your duties. Why is this important.? Because when a contract has that clause the school can not fire you in the 11th month with a bogus excuse so as to save themselves from having to pay bonus money.
Another thing, it states that anytime you are fired you must payback half the airfare.B.S. The rule is that after 6 months that school as made its "airfare" money, and more, from the students; the ticket belongs to the teacher free and clear.
I could on with what is wrong with the contract, but instead I will advise to not work for them, and if you do not have your visa yet, walk away.
Good luck

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Arthur Fonzerelli

Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Posts: 139
Location: Suwon, South Korea
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:38 am Post subject:

NEVER EVER work for a school named 'ding ding dang'.....
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visviva

Joined: 03 Feb 2003
Posts: 26

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:02 pm
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I'm frequently in the Suseong area, and I have heard nothing but bad things about that school. I believe there are some Ding Ding Dang branches that are OK to work at -- but I would strongly advise you NOT TO SIGN THAT CONTRACT. I'm sorry I can't provide any super-specific info.
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Duder



Joined: 23 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 10:04 pm    Post subject: thanks for your help Reply with quote

looks like this will be harder than I expected..I was just thinking of going down there and attempting to talk to the director..rationally at first then maybe step it up a notch.
Thanks for all your help.

Duder
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