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ABC KID
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: The Dynamics of Team-Teaching. |
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Almost all (if not all) of foreigners here teaching English in a public school have to team-teach. I appreciate that experiences vary widely (sometimes even within the same school if people work with more than one co-teacher) ranging from Korean teachers who leave the foreign teacher to do everything through to a genuine 50-50 split, going all the way to those schools that see the Korean teacher reduce a foreigner to a human tape recorder.
I saw one poster a few weeks ago comment on the 80% Foreign Teacher, 20% Korean teacher GEPIK guidelines (I'm not with GEPIK myself). What I am most interested to know is the actual way this all works in your schools...
For argument sake consider the following:
Case A - Foreign Teacher 80% Korean Teacher 20%. In YOUR case what does the Korean Teacher's 20% consist of? Is it genuine teaching or does that 20% consist of mere translation and classroom discipline?
Case B - Foreign Teacher 50% Korean Teacher 50%. In YOUR case what are the dynamics? For example does the Korean teacher translate and do a little bit more on top or are teaching roles genuinely shared (For example perhaps the Foreign Teacher does the listening and speaking work and the Korean teacher does Let's Write, Let's Sing and Let's Chant). Perhaps your Korean teacher does not actually use any Korean at all...
Case C - Korean Teacher does the vast majority of the teaching. In YOUR case what does this mean? Do you just repeat vocabulary, modelling your wonderful Native Speaker accent or do you do have other teaching tasks to do? Do you enjoy your role? How do you think the students perceive your role in the classroom?
When you teach do you stand side by side (i.e. looking like equals) or is one person there as the main teacher with the other standing or sitting away at the side somewhere?
It would probably also be informative if replies could add, where possible, whether your Korean Co-Teacher has good English skills or a major in English to see if this makes a significant difference.
Please share your thoughts and experiences... |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: |
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We did / had a thread on this just a few months ago. Quite a lot of good responses. I'll try and help you to look for it.
I won't respond at length, no longer contributing in detail here on this forum. But I will note that you are making a mistake in your definition and notion of "teaching" - seemingly believing that teaching is about control/power and who is speaking.
In fact, teaching is much more.....so all these criteria and ratios of 80/20 or 50/50 etc...are poppycock and really aren't constructive in my opinion.
Here is a good ppt I've used often when giving workshops on co-teaching.
http://www.myplick.com/view/16E4oXCHIjq/Co-teaching-Workshop
...much more in my prof. development
http://www.esnips.com//web/TeachingResearch/?widget=red
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:56 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
We did / had a thread on this just a few months ago. Quite a lot of good responses. I'll try and help you to look for it.
I won't respond at length, no longer contributing in detail here on this forum. But I will note that you are making a mistake in your definition and notion of "teaching" - seemingly believing that teaching is about control/power and who is speaking.
In fact, teaching is much more.....so all these criteria and ratios of 80/20 or 50/50 etc...are poppycock and really aren't constructive in my opinion.
Here is a good ppt I've used often when giving workshops on co-teaching.
http://www.myplick.com/view/16E4oXCHIjq/Co-teaching-Workshop
...much more in my prof. development
http://www.esnips.com//web/TeachingResearch/?widget=red
DD |
How come you're not going to be posting on here much anymore? I understand if you're too busy, but your help is, at times, invaluable! |
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SHANE02

Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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DD, The ning page is great. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Butlerian,
Thanks for the support, comments BUT I was banned without even an email saying why, on the International side. (after contributing there for many years). Why should I contribute substantial content when just with a button some ghost can just eliminate all your contribution? I believe in inclusion, not that sort of totalitarianism.
PS> I'm busy but never busy for helping.
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ABC KID
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
All these criteria and ratios of 80/20 or 50/50 etc...are poppycock and really aren't constructive in my opinion.
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Your criticism is not constructive either in this case. Don't get me wrong DD, I think a lot (but not all) of your contributions are very good on this site and it's obvious you do want to help people and share your knowledge but by posting negatively in such a strong way, especially as the first to reply, you effectively ended the thread, almost daring someone to disagree with you.
As a dedicated practitioner I am currently going through a period of major thought on the whole issue of team-teaching and whether you agree or disagree with these ratios they are being given as guidance by people in high places to both Korean and Foreign teachers. Hence my interest in how it's working in reality.
One of my co-teachers has very strong opinions about roles in the classroom, especially the importance of his own and often asks me if I agree. I am not a yes man so I often reply that the most important thing for me is how much the students learn and enjoy their English study and maximizing this by whatever means brings us the best results. I continue to say this even though I can tell it is not the answer that he wants to hear.
Personally I am a big fan of the theory that successful lessons should take the emphasize away from teachers, with the students taking charge of their own learning and teachers acting as facilitators. This is easier said than done of course but is great when it becomes reality.
DD, the links you did post after the criticism were actually very interesting. I read them in detail despite being rather irritated at the time. Take note of TTompatz who is also keen to help people, making an excellent contribution to this board. He sticks to the facts and posts the relevant links and leaves it at that.
DD, I hope you don't take offence at this post but I had to get it off my chest. Finally let me throw a question to you (and others please feel free to post your thoughts too):
Do you think it is more difficult to teach solo or team-teach? Please explain your answer. |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Location: at my wit's end
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing team teaching in terms of ratios; they make it easier to talk about how we work together and easier for the KT to communicate their goals / expectations -- especially if their English isn't that great. Communication is key. If the only time you speak to your coteacher is in the classroom, then you aren't communicating enough.
Team teaching is always evolving in my case. I do have a pretty strong presence in the classroom and I am aware of the impact it has on my coteachers. Therefore I try to include them whenever I can if they aren't jumping in on their own, either by asking them to explain instructions if I see a deer-in-the-headlights look from the class, or by engaging them in (what I hope to be) genuine dialog about what is happening in the classroom, or by modeling a pair or group activity so the students know what we expect. Of course planning together would be ideal but (and dd you know what I'm going to say here) time constraints won't allow us to plan whole lessons together.
We do go over the basic lesson plan (which I've created completely on my own) before the bell rings, so no more than two or three minutes before class in most cases. We also discuss lessons after class if they go particularly well or if we feel we could do better next time.
In any case, I think it's best to reflect on every single class you have and try to improve upon it for the next time. That's the good thing about teaching one lesson several times--you get many chances to get it right. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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ABC,
I wasn't trying to end any thread. I was simply trying to state matter of factly that it is wrong to assume X, Y or Z way of teaching is better. I've been around and teaching is an ART and coteaching even more so.
A role in the classroom is not a %. How can you quantify things? We've had thread upon thread here and I've always rallied against those that would a) suggest coteaching is a bunch of crap b) suggest coteaching is about who has power/control (which a % declares).
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DD, the links you did post after the criticism were actually very interesting. I read them in detail despite being rather irritated at the time. Take note of TTompatz who is also keen to help people, making an excellent contribution to this board. He sticks to the facts and posts the relevant links and leaves it at that.
DD, I hope you don't take offence at this post but I had to get it off my chest. Finally let me throw a question to you (and others please feel free to post your thoughts too):
Do you think it is more difficult to teach solo or team-teach? Please explain your answer. |
I don't take offence at all and anyone can tell you, I post at length and with links and detail. Not off the cuff. I'll respond on my own community to this and you can read there. It will take a lengthy reply. But also please search here, there are many threads where I and others have contributed substantially to this topic.
But I will say directly to your question - neither. There are too many variables. I would rephrase your question (for a good question is better than a good answer). Which leads to better student learning, coteaching or solo teaching [team teaching is a component of coteaching and not necessarily the best, just depends on the dynamics of the teaching environment)?
I'd say, in a perfect world coteaching of course. My ppt outlines all the benefits. But the world isn't perfect and I think we should all refuse as teachers to be a ship shoved into a bottle.
Again, no offence suggested and I appreciate your measured thoughts on the question. Just I didn't like the packaging.
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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DD, The ning page is great. |
Shane thanks. It takes a lot of work but I'm sure it helps teachers and that's the bottom line. Ning is coming out with a lot of Open Social applications and that will help make the community much more vibrant. In Jan. I'll have a new resource site for members and if you have a decent computer and screen, everything should be just click and go....
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inkoreafornow
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Gyeonggido
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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"Do you think it is more difficult to teach solo or team-teach? Please explain your answer."
It all depends on the relationship you have with your co teacher. If your coteacher sees you as an equal it can be a joy. If your coteacher views you as the interactive English multimedia center it can be a nightmare |
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