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haute4teacher



Joined: 21 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: It's not all happening at the zoo. Reply with quote

Went to the zoo with my gf this weekend. Don't ever, ever do it here. Besides the 10ft by 10ft enclosures, everyone else visiting felt obligated to throw handfuls of their food at the animals. They fed the giraffe random plants. A baby monkey got out of the cage and parents were encouraging their children to touch it and feed it, while the mother was against the bars wailing. I didn't see one employee.
I should have known better, i can't stop watching that program where they dress up the monkey and have it walk the dog around, managing to abuse 2 animals at once.
It was upsetting to say the least. They even had dogs in cages and rats seemed to be a part of every exhibit.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are talking about the Seoul Grand Park Zoo, I will agree that it is the most disgusting zoo I have ever seen. Aside from a few animals, the others are essentially being tortured by having to live there. Where the apes, gorillas and chimps live is just sad and I actually felt sad seeing it.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, been to Daejeon zoo and it's not much better. Animals in cramped, shabby conditions who look depressed. Spakling!
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that Koreans don't really share the same ideas when it comes to the welfare of animals. I went to Seoul Grand Park and the kids were feeding sugary snacks to the wolves. Nobody seemed to think it was anything to be concerned about - their parents were actually encoraging it. I'm no animal rights activist, but I was quite angry at the time. The sheer fukking stupidity of some people here gets to me sometimes.
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
If you are talking about the Seoul Grand Park Zoo, I will agree that it is the most disgusting zoo I have ever seen. Aside from a few animals, the others are essentially being tortured by having to live there. Where the apes, gorillas and chimps live is just sad and I actually felt sad seeing it.


That place should be closed down.It's grim.They don't deserve to be running a zoo.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

video anyone? sounds like someone needs to send off a video to PETA. It's been a good long while since Korea was put on the defensive about it's abysmal animal rights record.
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Evil Boweevil



Joined: 20 Oct 2007
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaseblasphemener wrote:
video anyone? sounds like someone needs to send off a video to PETA. It's been a good long while since Korea was put on the defensive about it's abysmal animal rights record.


Good idea. Maybe it will also bring up that long buried story about the baby pig that was ripped apart live in a protest because of the US Army moving to a new area.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Re: It's not all happening at the zoo. Reply with quote

haute4teacher wrote:
Went to the zoo with my gf this weekend. Don't ever, ever do it here. Besides the 10ft by 10ft enclosures, everyone else visiting felt obligated to throw handfuls of their food at the animals. They fed the giraffe random plants.

I went to the one near the Seoul racetrack a few years back, and while some of the larger animals had bigger enclosures, the feeding situation was just as bad. Uni aged kids were feeding their Doritos and Crunky bar to the crescent moon bears. After telling them three times to knock it the *beep* off before they make the bear sick I went ballistic on them. Commotion brought park employees over and they shrugged it off like Doritos and Crunky are a natural part of the bears diet. Disgusting!
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Chillin' Villain



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: It's not all happening at the zoo. Reply with quote

haute4teacher wrote:
i can't stop watching that program where they dress up the monkey and have it walk the dog around, managing to abuse 2 animals at once.

Just thought I'd point out that this program actually comes from Japan. I'm sure there's a share of animal exploitation/abuse shows on here, too, but that's not one of 'em.

Oh yeah, I agree with you about the SGP zoo and will add in the Daegu zoo for good measure. There was a huge-ass bear there 7 years ago I felt really bad for, in particular. Wonder if the poor guy's still around...
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: It's not all happening at the zoo. Reply with quote

Back when I was working in a hakwon, we took the kiddies to like the cheapest, worst zoo I've ever seen. It was somewhere near Daegu. I mean, they even had farm animals there. And a dog. It just sucked beyond belief... not interestin... So yeah, cramped, dirty cages, animals looked like they were near death, etc. Kids could pick up sticks and poke the animals. Or rattle the cages of the snakes or rats or whatever.

Thing is, the kids really enjoyed it. And when I was a kid, I remember going to zoos where the animals were definitely locked up in a very crappy environment for them... But I didn't know any better. I enjoyed it then. But yeah, once I got older, seeing these animals cramped in small cages is... well, I guess uncool. I remember once, when I was a kid, banging on the glass of some Orangutan ... anyhow... it ran up to me, so quickly, and banged back on the glass! I was so scared... last time I ever did that. Haha...

Having been to the nicely planned Calgary Zoo in Canada, I'd say other zoos could do much better with a bit of planning.

Thanks for advising against this zoo!
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: It's not all happening at the zoo. Reply with quote

brento1138 wrote:
Back when I was working in a hakwon, we took the kiddies to like the cheapest, worst zoo I've ever seen. It was somewhere near Daegu. I mean, they even had farm animals there. And a dog. It just sucked beyond belief... not interestin... So yeah, cramped, dirty cages, animals looked like they were near death, etc. Kids could pick up sticks and poke the animals. Or rattle the cages of the snakes or rats or whatever.

Thing is, the kids really enjoyed it. And when I was a kid, I remember going to zoos where the animals were definitely locked up in a very crappy environment for them... But I didn't know any better. I enjoyed it then. But yeah, once I got older, seeing these animals cramped in small cages is... well, I guess uncool. I remember once, when I was a kid, banging on the glass of some Orangutan ... anyhow... it ran up to me, so quickly, and banged back on the glass! I was so scared... last time I ever did that. Haha...

Having been to the nicely planned Calgary Zoo in Canada, I'd say other zoos could do much better with a bit of planning.

Thanks for advising against this zoo!


The Daegu zoo sounds like the one in Dalsung Park. Despicable place. Tiny cages and animals that look like they need emergency medical treatment. I wish the authorities would learn some decency.
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seoulman1



Joined: 02 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does this disregard for animal rights in Korea stem from the fact that there is little to no large wild animals in Korea (from what I know of)?

I know there is a squirrel and I think there is a bear but apart from that, Korea and Japan is virtually extinct of animals in comparison with Australia the US and Canada..

Actually what is funny is the Korean treatment of animals, can probably be compared to their treatment of foreigners going under the ol' non Korean title.

As others have said this kind of thing just cant go on. Hopefully Korea's push to become tourist friendly will force them to clean up what is clearly bad treatment of animals.
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulman1 wrote:
Actually what is funny is the Korean treatment of animals, can probably be compared to their treatment of foreigners going under the ol' non Korean title.


I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous comment to make. Animals and non-Korean "humans" are treated entirely differently, as you are well aware. If anything, I'm frequently discriminated against positively in this Korea, as a non-Korean.
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

butlerian wrote:
seoulman1 wrote:
Actually what is funny is the Korean treatment of animals, can probably be compared to their treatment of foreigners going under the ol' non Korean title.


I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous comment to make. Animals and non-Korean "humans" are treated entirely differently, as you are well aware. If anything, I'm frequently discriminated against positively in this Korea, as a non-Korean.


Yeah. If a Korean kid tried to dongchim a "real" gorilla, the gorilla would rip his head off.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i used to think Koreans were oblivious because of a lack of empathy in social conditioning and truncated imports of christian sympathy

these days i just think THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN about the feelings of animals or even people outside their realm of obligation

they - as a culture, concerning the majority - are much like a toddler who pulls the cat along by the tail


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