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ontheway
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Like you, I hope the GOP does nominate him. It would be the most entertaining election since I don't know when...maybe Alf Landon in '36. It would be the GOP's public admission of total surrender to the flakey Right. Binky the Monkey could beat him with one paw tied behind his back.
Mr. Paul says he would like to get rid of:
Dept of Education
Dept of Energy
the IRS
Homeland Sec.
FEMA
the UN
NATO
the ICC
NAFTA
WPO
Unicef is slightly OK
As Lincoln so astutely said, "You can fool some of the people all the time, and you can fool all the people some of the time (see Elections of '00 and '04 among other events), but you can't fool all the people all of the time." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I went back and watched a couple of the links (yes, I'm a bit bored tonight)...
The most amusing part was the bit about how someone introduced Jefferson Davis: The man and the hour have met...and then said R Paul is the man of this hour. Something tells me humiliating defeat is in store for Mr. Paul as well.
In West Alabama R Paul got 216 votes out of 266 votes. In Strafford County, Washington he got 208 votes.
Something tells me these Straw Polls were media events orchestrated by the R Paul campaign.
I did like the way they capitalized this: rEVOLution...I read that as 'evil'. |
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thepeel
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul won't win. He will likely raise a bunch of money and run as a Libertarian or Indi. He will inject new and important ideas into a system that needs them. Rather than two people talking about who should be invaded and when, Paul would add a third position: don't invade anybody ever. I know, too much. What a loon. But maybe some of the mouth breathers in Kansas would shift their vote to him from the Repubs. Like a right-wing Nader, ensuring election wins for the opposition. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: |
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When you revolve the "EVOL" in revolution you get "LOVE" which is what Ron Paul's campaign is all about.
It is correct that you can fool some of the people all of the time. Some people have been fooled completely to believe that the government helps them. All of the departments and programs that Ron Paul and millions of libertarians in America (polls show that "libertarian" is the second largest ideological grouping in American politics, following conservative) want to get rid of, ALL of them are evil and do nothing but hurt the American people. They were only created to help special interests. Abolishing those departments and programs will help the poor and middle class in America, it is an act of love to abolish them.
All government is socialism. Socialism always hurts the people. Socialism always fails. This has been proven by several Nobel winning econmists. It is why we now have the science of liberty being taught alongside the science of economics.
Ron Paul has more active supporters than any other Republican candidate today. And because he can offer a freer, kinder, America at peace, and because he was always against the war, and all the unconsitutional wars, he can get the support of people the entire top half of the two dimensional political map, which would give him a majority.
Ron Paul's policies would help the poor and middle classes and the opressed minorities the most. When this reality is explained to the people he can win easily.
Of course, few people are conversant in the political map and so most people are unable to visualize the real political positions of the people in America. Ron Paul could beat Hillary easily. She's so deep into the populist/socalist corner of the map that she can only beat an opponent who is also in one of the lower regions of the political map (such as Guiliani, McCain today) that's why she has such high negatives. People who have any interest in liberty could never support her. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: |
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The recent straw polls that Ron Paul won were regularly scheduled events. Ron Paul has the best grassroots organization in America today among all the candidates. That is how he won.
At the Iowa caucus Ron Paul should have won, according to the exit polls taken of a higher than normal percantage of the participants. The Iowa Republican machine refused to allow independent counting of the actual votes.
The nonregulated free media is becoming more important than the government controlled broadcast media. Perhaps a candidate who believes in liberty can finally break through to the public and win.
If the public is allowed to hear his message, Ron Paul can win. It is the government itself, the biggest lobby of all lobbies, that is against him. Now it's the people against the government.
That is the revolution that is coming. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Another win: now at least 6 wins for Ron Paul. The other guys aren't sitiing these out, they're just losing.
Dekalb County Georga:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1ZKMrSUo7Y
Go Ron Paul. |
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JMO

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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I have to say Ron Paul says alot of things that make sense. Is there something I'm missing here? Is it likely that he could do well? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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(If true) I think these people are living in the wrong century. It was the 20th Century when people were attracted to revolutionary ideologies...and we all saw where those movements inevitably led: concentration camps on the right and gulags on the left. |
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JMO

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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(If true) I think these people are living in the wrong century. It was the 20th Century when people were attracted to revolutionary ideologies...and we all saw where those movements inevitably led: concentration camps on the right and gulags on the left. |
But is he not arguing for less government involvement? Seems to be the opposite of those types of movements. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul is a symbol of how doomed the Republicans are this coming election cycle. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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JMO wrote: |
I have to say Ron Paul says alot of things that make sense. Is there something I'm missing here? Is it likely that he could do well? |
Yeah like the government ought NOT invest in alternative energy and that the US ought not only keep the gas tax where it is but also get rid of it.
You see it is good for the US to keep sending billions of dollars to our enemies. Makes perfect sense.
Mr Paul thanks for coming here tonight.
First question does Al Qaeda fight for the Caliphate? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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But is he not arguing for less government involvement? Seems to be the opposite of those types of movements.
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It's the nature of ideology itself I'm referring to, not the specific content. "Utopia would just be around the corner if we do X" makes me uncomfortable. You seem to forget that we tried life with a small government and instituted reforms in an effort to reduce the horrors that entailed.
As far as I can tell, libertarians are just romantic sentimentalists, rejecting the modern world in favor of a past world that never existed. |
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bucheon bum
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
JMO wrote: |
I have to say Ron Paul says alot of things that make sense. Is there something I'm missing here? Is it likely that he could do well? |
Yeah like the government ought NOT invest in alternative energy and that the US ought not only keep the gas tax where it is but also get rid of it.
You see it is good for the US to keep sending billions of dollars to our enemies. Makes perfect sense.
Mr Paul thanks for coming here tonight.
First question does Al Qaeda fight for the Caliphate? |
yes, he might make sense with a couple things, but this is one issue he's not so bright in. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
Ron Paul is a symbol of how doomed the Republicans are this coming election cycle. |
Precisely. |
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