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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: Korea in Space |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7091216.stm
South Korea buys into space dream
By John Sudworth
BBC News, Seoul
Ko San is due to blast off in 2008
A televised talent contest may be a good way of choosing a pop star, but South Korea has gone one better.
The country now has its first astronaut, picked from 36,000 hopefuls who entered a competition.
But behind the hype there is a serious purpose. South Korea is investing heavily in space technology and is due to launch its first rocket next year.
Kim Chang-Woo, director general for space technology at the Ministry of Science and Technology, says the government is spending hundreds of millions of dollars with the ambition of joining the top 10 space-faring nations within a decade.
"We want to raise the dreams and hopes of the young generation for the space programme," he says.
"We want to make space science more popular. So that's why we opened the astronaut selection to the entire population."
Military use?
Putting the first Korean into space is one thing, but the real prize for all the investment is an independent rocket capability allowing South Korea to put its own satellites into space.
Off the southern tip of the Korean peninsula the country's first launch pad is under construction.
This is above money, it's about developing as a nation and that's why we do it
Paik Hong-yul
Korea Aerospace Research Institute
The brand-new Naro Space Centre, being built on an island 500km (300 miles) south of Seoul, is a major project.
Tonnes of earth has been cut away from the side of a mountain to create the flattened area for the launch towers.
But not everyone is ready to welcome the arrival of South Korea as a space power.
"This is dual-use technology," according to Daniel Pinkston from the conflict prevention think-tank, the International Crisis Group.
He believes that the ability to put rockets into space could have a military application, potentially altering the strategic balance in East Asia.
The United States in particular, he says, has not been keen to help the South Koreans develop their own space programme.
"They did go to the Americans, and expected them to be forthcoming and provide the technology transfers. But in fact the US government, because of proliferation concerns, has blocked them."
'Courage and dreams'
So the South Koreans have turned to the Russians for help. At a price, of course.
The first rocket launch is now expected to take place towards the end of next year.
It will carry a 100kg (220lb) multi-purpose science satellite into low-Earth orbit.
South Korea's KSLV-1 rocket has been built but not launched
But the hope is that within a few years this new venture will be a revenue-earner.
The ambition is to corner up to 10% of the international space market, selling technology and providing launch services to other nations.
So the towering cost of South Korea's space programme is justified by its government in terms of long-term commercial benefits and national pride.
And Paik Hong-yul, president of the Korea Aerospace Research Institute insists that the intentions are entirely peaceful.
"Our space programme is about courage and dreams," he tells me.
"This is above money, it's about developing as a nation and that's why we do it."
The Russians are also being paid to train South Korea's first astronaut.
The lucky winner, having survived a series of gruelling mental and physical tests for the televised competition, is a 30-year-old research scientist, Ko San.
He is due to fly with two Russian cosmonauts to the International Space Station in 2008, becoming the first spaceman from a country rushing to join the space race. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that's quite a facinating post OP. I kinda suspected that Korea is interested in going to space. They need Star Trek to further inspire them of space travel, but they don't seem to have that. Too much complex vocabulary for non-native speakers of English.
Apparently the U.S. think it is a threat for other nations to acquire the means to do great things, especially nations that strive to achieve greater things than the USA who is only resting on its' laurels of previous successes such as landing on the moon. The US is not taking any initiative to empower it's young people to enterprise, innovate, and be great like they once did. I would tell this to any government officials and CEO's face, because it's true. It's only about making old people rich and then keeping old people alive, even if it means putting all resources into life support machines. Ridiculous if you ask me.
How come the US is not building upon it's innovated ideas of the 20th century? Those in charge are already rich and very comfortable while no one else has any say in what is endeavored, but many young adult Americans would love the opportunity to work at the appropriate level of employment and achieve great things that build upon and further advance grandpas innovations. I sure do....
Russia whores itself out instead, while other countries get ahead in the race for space, technological innovations, and acquiring new financial wealth. Just because America put a US flag on the moon, doesn't mean America owns her. Someone else is coming to mine her of her natural resources and get filthy rich in the process. Then the moon gets lighter in weight or smaller in mass and it strays away from the Earth in a wider orbit, causing serious changes on the Earth. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
Wow, that's quite a facinating post OP. I kinda suspected that Korea is interested in going to space. They need Star Trek to further inspire them of space travel, but they don't seem to have that. Too much complex vocabulary for non-native speakers of English.
Apparently the U.S. think it is a threat for other nations to acquire the means to do great things, especially nations that strive to achieve greater things than the USA who is only resting on its' laurels of previous successes such as landing on the moon. The US is not taking any initiative to empower it's young people to enterprise, innovate, and be great like they once did. I would tell this to any government officials and CEO's face, because it's true. It's only about making old people rich and then keeping old people alive, even if it means putting all resources into life support machines. Ridiculous if you ask me.
How come the US is not building upon it's innovated ideas of the 20th century? Those in charge are already rich and very comfortable while no one else has any say in what is endeavored, but many young adult Americans would love the opportunity to work at the appropriate level of employment and achieve great things that build upon and further advance grandpas innovations. I sure do....
Russia whores itself out instead, while other countries get ahead in the race for space, technological innovations, and acquiring new financial wealth. Just because America put a US flag on the moon, doesn't mean America owns her. Someone else is coming to mine her of her natural resources and get filthy rich in the process. Then the moon gets lighter in weight or smaller in mass and it strays away from the Earth in a wider orbit, causing serious changes on the Earth. |
Dude. Take your Ritalin. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I'm glad you're interested in the topic but you're wrong on a lot of counts:
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Wow, that's quite a facinating post OP. I kinda suspected that Korea is interested in going to space. They need Star Trek to further inspire them of space travel, but they don't seem to have that. Too much complex vocabulary for non-native speakers of English. |
Well, this is correct. Korea needs more Star Trek.
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Apparently the U.S. think it is a threat for other nations to acquire the means to do great things, especially nations that strive to achieve greater things than the USA who is only resting on its' laurels of previous successes such as landing on the moon. The US is not taking any initiative to empower it's young people to enterprise, innovate, and be great like they once did. |
The US is leading the way when it comes to space travel, and especially so on private space development. See Bigelow Airspace, X Prize, Google Lunar X Prize, Jpaerospace, Scaled Composites, Armadillo Airspace, etc.
Non space-related enterprises include Google, Wikipedia, etc. They have nothing to do with the government but that's what makes them work.
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Russia whores itself out instead, while other countries get ahead in the race for space, technological innovations, and acquiring new financial wealth. Just because America put a US flag on the moon, doesn't mean America owns her. Someone else is coming to mine her of her natural resources and get filthy rich in the process. Then the moon gets lighter in weight or smaller in mass and it strays away from the Earth in a wider orbit, causing serious changes on the Earth. |
Russia doesn't 'whore itself out', it's leading the way in cooperation between government agencies and individuals or other countries. Russia provides a service right now that no other agency can provide, the taking of people up to LEO for a relatively low cost with a minimum of red tape and a high degree of reliability. Countries like Korea are starting to get into the space race with their own launch pads but launching 100 kg satellites and launching people are two very different things so Russia is the natural partner when sending somebody up.
Now for a few rough calculations:
And the Moon has a mass of 7.3477�10^22 kg. To contrast that with another body in the Solar System, 4 Vesta has a diameter of 500 km or so and a mass of 2.7�10^20 kg. Mining the equivalent of the entire volume of Vesta (65,449,846 cubic km) would still fail to decrease the gravity of the Moon by even half of one percent.
Plus in this hypothetical situation the matter would be taken back to the Earth, increasing the Earth's gravity.
This mine here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bingham_Canyon_Mine
has 450,000 tons removed from it daily, and it's one of the the largest mines in the world. If it was on the Moon (and this is a very large mine working at full tilt, mind you) it would take 1.5 billion years to remove enough material to reduce the gravity of the Moon by a quarter of a percent or so. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
How come the US is not building upon it's innovated ideas of the 20th century? Those in charge are already rich and very comfortable while no one else has any say in what is endeavored, but many young adult Americans would love the opportunity to work at the appropriate level of employment and achieve great things that build upon and further advance grandpas innovations. I sure do.... |
Well, in Russia there is still a great deal of pride (hence votes) in their space program. Americans are not too gassed up about space exploration. Sure, there's a segment but America's spending on space truly reflects public sentiment.
Many private interests stepping up, of course.
But when it comes right down to it, man in space is great but cheaper robots can do it and NASA's science missions are focused on that. Man on the moon was an artifact of the cold war. A king of the hill race, and little more. "We can get to the high ground before you". |
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