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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: Democracy flourishes when secrets are kept? |
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Consider this quote
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"We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things the general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets, and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows."
-- Katherine Graham, Washington Post publisher and Bilderberger |
and now this one
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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991 |
What are the thoughts of the intellectual elite of Dave's? |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Democracy flourishes when secrets are kept? |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
What are the thoughts of the intellectual elite of Dave's? |
[Hands on ears] Lalalalala I'm not listening Lalalalalala |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll consider the quote if you produce the quote in full context. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. |
Quote from David Rockefeller's Memoirs (Random House, New York, 2002) Chapter 27, pages 404 and 405. Cited by Dr. Dennis Cuddy:
MM2....which one of the previous quotes are you talking about? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Where's that famous speeech by JFK?
Some have referred to it as the 'capstone' that sealed his fate.
Connect the dots ...
http://www.joshuaproject.net |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. |
Quote from David Rockefeller's Memoirs (Random House, New York, 2002) Chapter 27, pages 404 and 405. Cited by Dr. Dennis Cuddy:
MM2....which one of the previous quotes are you talking about? |
Either or both. While I'm happy you provided the source of one quote, I don't exactly have Chapter 27 of that book before me to examine the quote in actual context. I think you'll agree quotes can be taken out of context. One has to look no further than a movie ad with quotes from critics take sometimes out of context.
The Katherine Graham quote. Sounds scary, but what if it was in response to something like "If the WP had the D Day battle plans, would you make those public before the landings at Normandy?" Is that so scary then? |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. |
Quote from David Rockefeller's Memoirs (Random House, New York, 2002) Chapter 27, pages 404 and 405. Cited by Dr. Dennis Cuddy:
MM2....which one of the previous quotes are you talking about? |
Either or both. While I'm happy you provided the source of one quote, I don't exactly have Chapter 27 of that book before me to examine the quote in actual context. I think you'll agree quotes can be taken out of context. One has to look no further than a movie ad with quotes from critics take sometimes out of context.
The Katherine Graham quote. Sounds scary, but what if it was in response to something like "If the WP had the D Day battle plans, would you make those public before the landings at Normandy?" Is that so scary then? |
I understand.
I will do my best to find both sources.
Both of the initial quotes, to my understanding, come from speeches given in the past.
I will try to post the transcripts asap.
If they aren't available, I'll post as much information I can find. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Governments have legitimate secrets. It's the abuse of secrecy that is a problem. A whole lot like one beer is not a problem. Six beers in the guy who gets behind the wheel of a car IS a problem. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Governments have legitimate secrets. It's the abuse of secrecy that is a problem. A whole lot like one beer is not a problem. Six beers in the guy who gets behind the wheel of a car IS a problem. |
OP states
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| What are the thoughts of the intellectual elite of Dave's? |
don't flatter yourself |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Governments have legitimate secrets. It's the abuse of secrecy that is a problem. A whole lot like one beer is not a problem. Six beers in the guy who gets behind the wheel of a car IS a problem. |
OP states
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| What are the thoughts of the intellectual elite of Dave's? |
don't flatter yourself |
 You walked right into that one! |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
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| "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. |
Quote from David Rockefeller's Memoirs (Random House, New York, 2002) Chapter 27, pages 404 and 405. Cited by Dr. Dennis Cuddy:
MM2....which one of the previous quotes are you talking about? |
Either or both. While I'm happy you provided the source of one quote, I don't exactly have Chapter 27 of that book before me to examine the quote in actual context. I think you'll agree quotes can be taken out of context. One has to look no further than a movie ad with quotes from critics take sometimes out of context.
The Katherine Graham quote. Sounds scary, but what if it was in response to something like "If the WP had the D Day battle plans, would you make those public before the landings at Normandy?" Is that so scary then? |
I can't find the transcript.
this is the best i found
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| In 1988, Post owner Katharine Graham, Phil's widow, gave a speech at the CIA's Langley, Va. headquarters. "We live in a dirty and dangerous world," Graham told agency leaders (Regardie's Magazine,1/90). "There are some things the general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows." |
it is fairly famous, but transcript unavailable.
can anyone find it? |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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While I agree that some things should be kept secret, it is the second quote that scares me.
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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991 |
He admits that plans for a New World Order would have been impossible to develop had the general public known about it. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| don't flatter yourself |
 It reminds me of something my boy Al said: �When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, holler.�
You just hollered. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| don't flatter yourself |
It reminds me of something my boy Al said: �When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, holler.�
You just hollered. |
I agree. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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While I agree that some things should be kept secret, it is the second quote that scares me.
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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991 |
He admits that plans for a New World Order would have been impossible to develop had the general public known about it. |
Well, don't vote for him as president. I found the eugenic utterings of William Shockley rather disturbing too. Oh well. People, even influential people, have really funny ideas at times. Reagan and Thatcher scared a lot of people too with their idea to break up the nanny state.
And where does that quote come from, other than anti-Bilderberg sites? Aren't these meetings secret and off the record? |
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