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esetters21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: What is and what is not acceptible to post on Dave's? |
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It seems that some mods have a trigger finger on locking or removing posts. Do some things offend them personally, or are they doing a service to the rest of the Dave's ESL posting world? I don't understand the logic at times, but low and behold; I am not a moderator either. I welcome both posters and the Dave's mods to shed some insight into this.
Please enlighten me as to what is an acceptable thread (don't tell me to read the FAQ's either). I'm only trying to be a responsible poster on this and the other Dave's ESL forums. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| You've just earned yourself a three week vacation, effective immediatewy. |
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esetters21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| SuperFly wrote: |
| You've just earned yourself a three week vacation, effective immediatewy. |
I apprecaite the sarcasm; but for real though? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Read the forum guidelines every new poster is supposed to read (stickied at the top of every forum):
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For users:
While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic or post at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.
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The above is what is found on your service agreement when you first registered as a member into this forum. It serves as a guideline for the administration and moderators when judging posts and threads. However, new issues have arisen that the following guidelines seek to remedy.
It should also be noted that this is a privately owned and operated site which is tied to an enterprise; Therefore posting here is a privilege rather than a constitutional 'right' to free speech and freedom of expression. To that end the administrator and his representatives reserve the prerogative to censor anything posted on these forums, and furthermore reserve the right to terminate a user account at any time without warning.
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1. If the thread is inappropriate for the board, it will be locked or removed without notice, but if it belongs in another forum it might just be moved. In other words, if an off-topic thread is found in the job-related forum it may be moved.
2. If the thread is flamebait, it will be locked or removed without notice. Individual flamebait may be deleted or edited at the moderators' descretion. Certain users who continue to post flamebait or engage in other questionable practices (such as trolling) may be subject to more serious sanctions.
3. If the thread turns into pure flaming, it will be locked or removed without notice. Sometimes a moderator may split the thread or delete certain portions in order to keep the discussion going.
4. If the thread turns from serious discussion into a chatroom the thread may be locked or removed without notice. Users are encouraged to use pms for chatting.
5. If the thread has run its course, and the same arguments keep on being brought up, it may be locked.
6. If the thread is frivolous or redundant (a new thread very similar to other already active threads), it may be locked or removed without notice.
7. If the thread is spam it may be locked or removed without notice.
8. Members have every right to enjoy a safe and cordial environment for discussion. It is not acceptable for Dave's ESL Cafe users to harrass, stalk or intimidate any other Dave's ESL Cafe members, on or off the board, privately or publicly. Members are also not to use Dave's ESL Cafe's forums or private messaging system as a means to arrange fights or threaten violence. Users found to be doing any of the above will face immediate sanctions.
9. Moderators are users too, and welcome public debate and discussion about issues and opinions they express which are unrelated to the discharge of their moderator duties. The moderators may permit public threads discussing board/moderator policy, at their discretion. However, publicly attacking moderators for the performance of their duties will result in a locked or deleted post, or more serious sanctions, depending on the situation. The moderators always welcome private messages from users regarding any issue.
10. Self-policing by the community at large is encouraged. Please take a moment and read over your comments before you post, and if you come across another user's post or thread which you feel violates the guidelines (or is in some other way questionable or potentially inappropriate), please send a private message (PM) to a moderator with a link to the material in question. Posting a reply in the thread (e.g.- "Just wait till the mods delete your post!" or "How come the mods are allowing this? ") is neither effective nor an appropriate method of dealing with such incidents. Please remember that, given the volume of posts on these forums, we are not always able to view every post or act in a timely manner all of the time.
11. Articles that are more than 300 words may be edited or deleted. Try to keep your comments concise. If an article is longer, post a link and quote only the really important parts to your argument.
12. Avatars are to be no larger than 100 pixels wide. They must not attempt to portray the user as having an official status here (e.g. mimiking ranks or copying avatars of mod team members).
13. Posts that contain attempts to bypass the obscenity filter may be removed without notice. Repeated instances of this from a particular user may result in moderator sanctions.
14. Threads older than one month in the non-Korea threads ("off-topic" and "current events", and "Buy/Sell/Trade" in particular) may be deleted at the moderators' discretion. Obsolete and time-sensitive threads in the other forums may also be deleted where the moderators feel this is appropriate.
15. No job vacancies, or job wanted posts may be posted on this board. This includes requests for temporary replacements. Jobs may be advertised only on the Korean Job Board. Please post any messages looking for work in the Post your resume section of the site. Any posts that recruit for jobs or solicit work on these forums will be deleted.
16. Ignoring warnings from moderators or administration to correct behavior may result in a permanent ban.
17. Please note that Private Message (PM) notification from Moderators to users of these forums in instances where a user's post or thread has been locked, removed, or temporarily relocated to the Moderators' Forum is a courtesy extended by the moderators rather than an inherent right of users, and as such this courtesy may not neccessarily be extended during times of high volume (e.g. an incident or a user's actions which engender a greater workload for the moderators) and/or may not neccessarily be extended to those users who have repeatedly disregarded Forum guidelines in the past. If you have a question regarding a post please send a private message to a moderator which provides as such information as the forum and thread it was posted in, the approximate time it was posted, and a brief description of its contents. Private messages which do not provide enough information for the moderators to track (e.g. "Hey! Where is my post from 3 days ago?!?!" or "What have you done with my posts?!?") will not receive a response. Inquiries regarding other users' posts (i.e. not your own) or inquiries regarding other users' sanctions (e.g. "Why was user X banned?" "Why was user Y's post removed?") will not receive a response.
18. Questions/concerns/comments regarding the administration and/or moderation of these forums are to be addressed in either Private Message to the moderators or in an email to [email protected] The moderators will endeavor to reply to all Private Messages in a timely manner but users should not expect an immediate reply and your patience and understanding is requested. Threads concerning the administration and moderation of these forum will at the moderators' descretion be locked or removed without notice.
19. For all of the above, the terms 'rules' and 'guidelines' shall be considered interchangeable |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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There's been a lot of trolling and flamebait around here lately.
The mods have caught only a fraction of it. |
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esetters21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
Read the forum guidelines every new poster is supposed to read (stickied at the top of every forum):
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For users:
While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic or post at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.
------------
The above is what is found on your service agreement when you first registered as a member into this forum. It serves as a guideline for the administration and moderators when judging posts and threads. However, new issues have arisen that the following guidelines seek to remedy.
It should also be noted that this is a privately owned and operated site which is tied to an enterprise; Therefore posting here is a privilege rather than a constitutional 'right' to free speech and freedom of expression. To that end the administrator and his representatives reserve the prerogative to censor anything posted on these forums, and furthermore reserve the right to terminate a user account at any time without warning.
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1. If the thread is inappropriate for the board, it will be locked or removed without notice, but if it belongs in another forum it might just be moved. In other words, if an off-topic thread is found in the job-related forum it may be moved.
2. If the thread is flamebait, it will be locked or removed without notice. Individual flamebait may be deleted or edited at the moderators' descretion. Certain users who continue to post flamebait or engage in other questionable practices (such as trolling) may be subject to more serious sanctions.
3. If the thread turns into pure flaming, it will be locked or removed without notice. Sometimes a moderator may split the thread or delete certain portions in order to keep the discussion going.
4. If the thread turns from serious discussion into a chatroom the thread may be locked or removed without notice. Users are encouraged to use pms for chatting.
5. If the thread has run its course, and the same arguments keep on being brought up, it may be locked.
6. If the thread is frivolous or redundant (a new thread very similar to other already active threads), it may be locked or removed without notice.
7. If the thread is spam it may be locked or removed without notice.
8. Members have every right to enjoy a safe and cordial environment for discussion. It is not acceptable for Dave's ESL Cafe users to harrass, stalk or intimidate any other Dave's ESL Cafe members, on or off the board, privately or publicly. Members are also not to use Dave's ESL Cafe's forums or private messaging system as a means to arrange fights or threaten violence. Users found to be doing any of the above will face immediate sanctions.
9. Moderators are users too, and welcome public debate and discussion about issues and opinions they express which are unrelated to the discharge of their moderator duties. The moderators may permit public threads discussing board/moderator policy, at their discretion. However, publicly attacking moderators for the performance of their duties will result in a locked or deleted post, or more serious sanctions, depending on the situation. The moderators always welcome private messages from users regarding any issue.
10. Self-policing by the community at large is encouraged. Please take a moment and read over your comments before you post, and if you come across another user's post or thread which you feel violates the guidelines (or is in some other way questionable or potentially inappropriate), please send a private message (PM) to a moderator with a link to the material in question. Posting a reply in the thread (e.g.- "Just wait till the mods delete your post!" or "How come the mods are allowing this? ") is neither effective nor an appropriate method of dealing with such incidents. Please remember that, given the volume of posts on these forums, we are not always able to view every post or act in a timely manner all of the time.
11. Articles that are more than 300 words may be edited or deleted. Try to keep your comments concise. If an article is longer, post a link and quote only the really important parts to your argument.
12. Avatars are to be no larger than 100 pixels wide. They must not attempt to portray the user as having an official status here (e.g. mimiking ranks or copying avatars of mod team members).
13. Posts that contain attempts to bypass the obscenity filter may be removed without notice. Repeated instances of this from a particular user may result in moderator sanctions.
14. Threads older than one month in the non-Korea threads ("off-topic" and "current events", and "Buy/Sell/Trade" in particular) may be deleted at the moderators' discretion. Obsolete and time-sensitive threads in the other forums may also be deleted where the moderators feel this is appropriate.
15. No job vacancies, or job wanted posts may be posted on this board. This includes requests for temporary replacements. Jobs may be advertised only on the Korean Job Board. Please post any messages looking for work in the Post your resume section of the site. Any posts that recruit for jobs or solicit work on these forums will be deleted.
16. Ignoring warnings from moderators or administration to correct behavior may result in a permanent ban.
17. Please note that Private Message (PM) notification from Moderators to users of these forums in instances where a user's post or thread has been locked, removed, or temporarily relocated to the Moderators' Forum is a courtesy extended by the moderators rather than an inherent right of users, and as such this courtesy may not neccessarily be extended during times of high volume (e.g. an incident or a user's actions which engender a greater workload for the moderators) and/or may not neccessarily be extended to those users who have repeatedly disregarded Forum guidelines in the past. If you have a question regarding a post please send a private message to a moderator which provides as such information as the forum and thread it was posted in, the approximate time it was posted, and a brief description of its contents. Private messages which do not provide enough information for the moderators to track (e.g. "Hey! Where is my post from 3 days ago?!?!" or "What have you done with my posts?!?") will not receive a response. Inquiries regarding other users' posts (i.e. not your own) or inquiries regarding other users' sanctions (e.g. "Why was user X banned?" "Why was user Y's post removed?") will not receive a response.
18. Questions/concerns/comments regarding the administration and/or moderation of these forums are to be addressed in either Private Message to the moderators or in an email to [email protected] The moderators will endeavor to reply to all Private Messages in a timely manner but users should not expect an immediate reply and your patience and understanding is requested. Threads concerning the administration and moderation of these forum will at the moderators' descretion be locked or removed without notice.
19. For all of the above, the terms 'rules' and 'guidelines' shall be considered interchangeable |
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Yes, the old double standard thing. I honestly can't read through all of that, as it is technically boring jargain, and I will guarantee that most posters have not done so either. It just seems that if something hits too close to home that the mods regulate it unfairingly (most likely do to a complaint from an over sensitive poster that reports it.) I need to take a rest from here I guess. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Pesky Wabbits... |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| According to one of the mods someone has been spamming the boards and locked a thread because of it. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, the old double standard thing. |
Why is it a double standard?
It seems to me that if the general public just behaved, there wouldn't be a need for mods. As it is, it doesn't. So we need mods. Why blame the mods for not catching every infraction? They aren't causing the infraction. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
There's been a lot of trolling and flamebait around here lately.
The mods have caught only a fraction of it. |
Exactly. An unbelievable amount of offensive garbage makes it through. |
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esetters21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Yes, the old double standard thing. |
Why is it a double standard?
It seems to me that if the general public just behaved, there wouldn't be a need for mods. As it is, it doesn't. So we need mods. Why blame the mods for not catching every infraction? They aren't causing the infraction. |
Most of us do behave, but we all know where most of the mods origin is from (look at the screen names), and I would guess that is your origin as well. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
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valkyrian2
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Joined: 15 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: |
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No, that was not acceptable and it would have been just as simple for you to make a post report as post it here.
I locked the dog thread.
If the OP had posted 1 or 2 threads and put ALL his dog adoptions in them there would have been no problem, but he posted 30 some individual threads for dog adoptions in a matter of a few days. As good as his heart is and as worthy as the cause may be, this is NOT the SPCA and that constitutes SPAM.
In regards to your opinion about the moderation on this board - if it doesn't suit you, then you always have the option to choose another board to complain on or about.
The door swings both ways, don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.
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JamesFord
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: my personal playground
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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The door swings both ways, don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Give me a break.
He brings up a valid point since there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason why certain threads are removed. But it's much easier for you to abuse your power and give some lame remark rather than try to find a solution to the problem. |
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TheDude
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: |
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I will ad that this is not your personal living room or regular bar stool either. You cannot post whatever you feel like posting and expect that it will always stay in the forums. This is a site for ESL teachers wanting to work in Korea or already living in Korea. It is not a venting room where you can insult people or (as it happened a lot lately) post any racist thought that sees the light of day in your head. If you do and it is noticed it will be removed. period.
If you find such racist threads, report them....
The guidelines quoted by vanislander are there for a reason and they are the rules we work by. If as a user you did not bother reading them then it is really your problem if you are shocked or surprised when one of your posts/thread is removed because it violates said rules you did not bother to read.
Another point here, all the mods do this on a volunteer basis and we all have (just like you) lives which includes jobs, social life and for some families. We catch what we are able to catch and work with post reports when we can.
Just to be clear: if we catch posts that are clearly racist we will remove them and pm the user letting them know why.
The rules are out there in a sticky in every single forum. It is up to you (the user) to read them and post accordingly.
If you want a free for all forum, I suggest you go somewhere else (there are plently of choices out there in net-land).
If you have a gripe, pm a mod instead of starting a thread about mods that will just get removed. |
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