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arjuna

Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: Ecuador wants military base in Miami |
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This delightful news item made me smile. - Arjuna
By Phil Stewart
http://uk.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUKADD25267520071022?sp=true
NAPLES (Reuters) - Ecuador's leftist President Rafael Correa said Washington must let him open a military base in Miami if the United States wants to keep using an air base on Ecuador's Pacific coast.
Correa has refused to renew Washington's lease on the Manta air base, set to expire in 2009. U.S. officials say it is vital for counter-narcotics surveillance operations on Pacific drug-running routes.
"We'll renew the base on one condition: that they let us put a base in Miami -- an Ecuadorean base," Correa said in an interview during a trip to Italy.
"If there's no problem having foreign soldiers on a country's soil, surely they'll let us have an Ecuadorean base in the United States."
The U.S. embassy to Ecuador says on its Web site that anti-narcotics flights from Manta gathered information behind more than 60 percent of illegal drug seizures on the high seas of the Eastern Pacific last year.
It offers a fact-sheet on the base at: http://ecuador.usembassy.gov/topics_of_interest/manta-fol.html
Correa, a popular leftist economist, had promised to cut off his arm before extending the lease that ends in 2009 and has called U.S. President George W. Bush a "dimwit".
But Correa, an ally of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, told Reuters he believed relations with the United States were "excellent" despite the base closing.
He rejected the idea that the episode reflected on U.S. ties at all.
"This is the only North American military base in South America," he said.
"So, then the other South American countries don't have good relations with the United States because they don't have military bases? That doesn't make any sense." |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
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If they can pay for the land in Miami, have at it. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Not far from the deep end.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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The Ecuadoran president does have a good point. But the U.S. might be against the idea as having a foreign military presence on its soil "might cause a national security concern." Whereas having U.S. military bases in foreign countries is "necessary still for our national security."
It's interesting how this double standard works. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I don't object in principle to having a foreign military base on US soil. I do object to Ecuador having one unless they can pay for it themselves. I would highly object if they started to build one then asked us to pay for it for them, and considering Ecuador's economy, I suspect that is exactly what would happen.
I would also have concerns about them running their Miami base, once constructed, in the same inefficient way they have run their own economy since independence.
On the up side, if it would bring some of those hot Ecuadorean babes to town... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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merkurix wrote: |
It's interesting how this double standard works. |
It is interesting.
Witness how the U.S. pays for all (or the predominant cost) of its bases abroad.
Witness how those bases are leased at the will of national powers.
Witness how these bases often drive the local economies in which they are situated.
Personally, I think the Ecuadoran President is being clever. He's actually suggesting a proposal Ecuador could not possibly finance because he knows the U.S. will not accept it. Furthermore, its absolutely absurd that Ecuador would want a base in Miami. Where would it project power? What kind of hardware and investment would it need to do so?
The suggestion of the Ecuadoran President is patently absurd. I wish the U.S. would grant his proposal. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Where would it project power? |
Perhaps the President has conquest on his mind...with a base in Miami he could open a pincer movement against Venezuela with one wing based at home in Ecuador and the other wing based in Florida. On the way to his conquest of Caracas, he could sweep up Havana on the way by. (Just because you come from a small, weak, poor country doesn't mean you have to think small.)
On the other hand, he could be angling for control of the market for his cocaine. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Where would it project power? |
Perhaps the President has conquest on his mind...with a base in Miami he could open a pincer movement against Venezuela with one wing based at home in Ecuador and the other wing based in Florida. On the way to his conquest of Caracas, he could sweep up Havana on the way by.
On the other hand, he could be angling for control of the market for his cocaine. |
I'm fine with either. I just want to see the caudillo back up his proposal with cold, hard, dinero. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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merkurix wrote: |
The Ecuadoran president does have a good point. But the U.S. might be against the idea as having a foreign military presence on its soil "might cause a national security concern." Whereas having U.S. military bases in foreign countries is "necessary still for our national security."
It's interesting how this double standard works. |
The US certainly does host foreign military forces on its own soil. NORAD for starters. NATO was doing AWAC patrol during 9/11. If Ecuador had a legit interest in base on Miami that would be a different story. Hell, if it was willing to (as ya ta suggests) pay for the land and the vast cost of maintaining troops in another country, let 'em try.
Pax Americana might make some people feel like they have a small pee pee but I just think when you have America providing a military umbrella, you don't have to invest massive amounts in your own military. If you suddenly have to start worrying about your borders and building up your armed forces, the other guys are going to start worrying too. And start building up their forces. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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The US certainly does host foreign military forces on its own soil. |
We do?
I'm not aware of this. Who and where? (Specifics, please.) |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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The US certainly does host foreign military forces on its own soil. |
We do?
I'm not aware of this. Who and where? (Specifics, please.) |
Well, frequently Canadians take command of NORAD down in Cheyenne Mountain. Members of NATO certainly send troops to the USA for training. I'm not saying there are whole bases.
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=530 |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not saying there are whole bases.
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Whew! I was having visions of Bolivian navy bases and such. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I'm not saying there are whole bases.
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Whew! I was having visions of Bolivian navy bases and such. |
Yeah nothing of the kind. However if you google on "foreign troops in the USA" you'll find all kinds of conspiracy nuts having a huge huge problem with this notion. It's small potatoes, of course, compared to US military bases in other nations. Other than NORAD and maybe some US/Mexico cooperation along the border for drug interdiction, there isn't a need for any kind of foreign base.
A nation accepts US bases for two reasons: 1) helps their own defense 2) helps their treasuries. They enter these agreements of their own free will. They're free to tell the USA to pull up stakes at the end of any signed agreement. But they do it at their own peril. Canada certainly benefits from being under the US nuclear umbrella. Hell, Canada has American customs agents on its own soil. Instead of flying from Toronto to New York and going through American customs on that side, you can go through American customs at Pearson. And once you cross a line, you're now subject to American customs regulations, not Canadian. We give up that minor bit of sovereignty to expedite business and travel. |
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Pluto
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I seem to remember in late 2002, President Roh made some campaign promises to not kowtow to the US line and even get rid of SOFA and even the USFK. After being elected, he changed his mind rather quickly. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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if you google on "foreign troops in the USA" you'll find all kinds of conspiracy nuts having a huge huge problem with this notion. |
Woo-hoo! Thanks. I followed your tip and got this:
Gulag America
(The New World Order's Concentration Camp Program & Foreign Troops on US Soil)
Now that American soldiers have been used in Kuwait, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo, a precedent has been set to bring the red Chinese troops here. The UN could justify such an action if the Black Muslims instigate a race war. [ ]I expect this scenario if the Democrats loose the White House and Congress in the 2000 elections. Comrade Clinton could not be slicker in making himself Commandant of Gulag America.
In 1997, there were already 43 concentrations camps ready to imprison Christians and other patriotic people, who want to be governed by the Constitution. If the Clintons' hatred for Christians and other constitutionalists seems incredible to you, then ask yourself why the White House instructed the FBI this year to regard us as terrorists. Under this guise, Comrade Clinton can raid the homes of innocent saints and patriots, take them away to never be seen again as in Nazi Germany, [ ] and the media will make everyone think they were criminals. In 1997, 20 more concentration camps were under constrction."
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/gulagamericaandchinesetroops1997.shtml
I wonder if Ron Paul knows about this.  |
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CentralCali
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