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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:05 am    Post subject: driving in Korea Reply with quote

I figure it would be interesting to hear peoples comments on driving styles in Korea.....

here's mine

The drift: The drift comes in many forms, the most common of which is

The Basic Drift: where the driver chooses to change lanes by drifting slowly across the lane, often while looking to ensure that the lane is free, but going slow enough to avoig a collision if they are incorrect.

The Basic Drift With Signal: not as common, but it does occur, just add a turn signal, often viewed as a sign of weakness and better drivers often speed up to fill the gap you had intended to fill.

The No Look Drift: a practical time saving move where the driver does not need to look and relies on others to notice his or her intention and either move aside, brake or honk to inform the driver that the lane is currently occupied.

The No Look Drift With Force: not as common as other forms of drift, but occurs more frequently with the greater size of the driver's vehicle. The
no look drift forces other traffic to move regardless of wether or not they want to or physically can. In this case if a bus uses The No Look Drift With Force, and the lane is filled with a car, no amount of honking will stop the bus. It is up to the smaller vehicle to find a way out of the situation. If the smaller vehicle has some speed they may attempt to speed through the gap, at which point the middle finger may be used to inform the larger vehicle that this was not very nice. If you are driving a motorcycle you should expect this to happen frequently and should not be alarmed, honking will only alarm the drifting driver. If a driver of a larger vehicle has made an error which may possibly end your life it is OK to bang on the larger vehicle with your hand until enough room is given for you to make your escape. This unfortunately does not work with large trucks and they must be avoided at all costs. With smaller vehicles such as vans or passenger cars putting a dent in the car with your fist or foot may be enough to earn you enough room on the road and survive for another day.

The WTF Drift: With all this drifting occuring it is not a surprise that the WTF drift exists. Lanes are more of a guideline and not really a rigid rule. It is common to see drivers drift across their own lane and into another, then drift right back for no apparent reason. It occurs more often around corners and is in no way a sign of a poor driver...unless of course the other lane is filled by a much larger vehicle, in which case the driver is clearly an idiot who must be honked at. If the vehicle is smaller than the WTF drifting vehicle, no horn should be used as this is common and the smaller vehicle should learn how to drive and move the f--k over.

taken from the informal guide on Korean driving skills and practices
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good summary.

I would add the No Look Force Drift With Hand.............the magic hand out the window is not asking your permission to cut in. It's just a warning that you should brake hard now, I'm coming.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Good summary.

I would add the No Look Force Drift With Hand.............the magic hand out the window is not asking your permission to cut in. It's just a warning that you should brake hard now, I'm coming.


I forgot that one....one of my faves!!!
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aaabank



Joined: 27 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Exclamation , wait a second, I drive around on a motorcycle in this zoo, Sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaabank wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Exclamation , wait a second, I drive around on a motorcycle in this zoo, Sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad


Yes, me, too.

The OP forgot the "motorcycle into the middle of 2 lanes" drift caused by the various "no look drifts" combined with the motorcycle doesn't have time to stop from the cursed Korean drifting nor the time to see if the lane next to him is occupied or being drifted into.

This is usually followed by a motorcycle "WTF" finger or English-language curse loud enough for the "no look drift" driver to recognize.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget the "ajuma drivers".

a) I'm going to drive slow because I don't know where I'm going or I just got my license and I'm still afraid.

b) I drive my car the way I drive my shopping cart...ME FIRST!!

BTW, THIS ajuma drives like a taxi driver. I once had a job where I spent about 6 hours a day driving, and I learned that if you want to get somewhere quickly and avoid most of the traffic lights, follow a taxi!
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tip no. 1: Don't drive in Korea. You, as the foreigner are just about always in the wrong.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever wrote:
Tip no. 1: Don't drive in Korea. You, as the foreigner are just about always in the wrong.


Makes sense if you're in a big city, but if you're outside the urban areas, a car makes life a lot more enjoyable!
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the motorcycle move of splitting traffic to get to the front of the line at a stop light (very illegal in the west by the way). Then they drive slow as hell and piss off everone behind them. Then when a driver yells at them or speeds in front of them they think it is because they are driving a motorcycle. I hate the vast majority of motorcycle drivers here. I drive fast. If you are going to cut in front of me at a light you better drive fast too, if not don't cut to the front of the line and wait like the rest of traffic has too. Also, choose to drive on the road or the sidewalk. Don't be an ass and do both. The number of foreigners who I see driving like asses on motorcycles is ridiculous. Not to mention the number of foreigners I see doing this without helmets. It is dangerous enough to drive here let alone to drive a motorcycle in a way that will make it more dangerous and to not wear a helmet.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typhoon wrote:
I like the motorcycle move of splitting traffic to get to the front of the line at a stop light (very illegal in the west by the way). Then they drive slow as hell and piss off everone behind them. Then when a driver yells at them or speeds in front of them they think it is because they are driving a motorcycle. I hate the vast majority of motorcycle drivers here. I drive fast. If you are going to cut in front of me at a light you better drive fast too, if not don't cut to the front of the line and wait like the rest of traffic has too. Also, choose to drive on the road or the sidewalk. Don't be an ass and do both. The number of foreigners who I see driving like asses on motorcycles is ridiculous. Not to mention the number of foreigners I see doing this without helmets. It is dangerous enough to drive here let alone to drive a motorcycle in a way that will make it more dangerous and to not wear a helmet.


Maybe things are different in Daejeon, but I never see foreigners without helmets on in Seoul. And if they have a helmet on, how do you recognize who is a foreigner? Motorcycles do not drive slowly in Korea unless they are on some 50cc putt-putter. Motorcycle drivers are very speedy unless they are delivery guys carrying a big load or near their destination and searching for the right spot.

You would be ok with motorcycles choosing to drive only on the sidewalk and not the road? Just playing with you, I know what you mean. But anyone, foreign or Korean, who cuts traffic, goes on the side walk and runs through crosswalks and red lights is simply keeping up with the status quo. Illegal? Sure. But enforced by the cops? Only helmet laws are enforced, so illegal actions may as well be legal if they aren't enforced.

One recent change, though, are cars in Seoul with cameras that take the picture of bike plates if they are on the sidewalk. I've only seen it on the news.
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that guy



Joined: 29 Feb 2004
Location: long gone

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
Don't forget the "ajuma drivers".

a) I'm going to drive slow because I don't know where I'm going or I just got my license and I'm still afraid.

b) I drive my car the way I drive my shopping cart...ME FIRST!!


c) I must get into the E-mart parking lot. Turning right from the forth lane on the left is fine.
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discostar23



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Location: getting the hell out of dodge

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't forget the "hot flash" ajuma driver who appears to be crazy and decides to drive around the intersection in a circle. (not this driver must have frizzy hair and a look of confusion on her face)

There is also the "honk because you are allowing two feet of space between u n the car infront of you"- I get this all the time. Where I come from tailgating is illegal so I let a little space. If you honk at me for leaving a space...I go slower. If you tailgate me I will go even slower... Twisted Evil

Also there is the curb cut in- there is a big lane of traffic waiting for a turn off or simply jammed up- the driver takes the curb and zooms past the traffic to make a cut into the front of the lane.
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You would be ok with motorcycles choosing to drive only on the sidewalk and not the road? Just playing with you, I know what you mean. But anyone, foreign or Korean, who cuts traffic, goes on the side walk and runs through crosswalks and red lights is simply keeping up with the status quo. Illegal? Sure. But enforced by the cops? Only helmet laws are enforced, so illegal actions may as well be legal if they aren't enforced.


True that. If it is not enforced than it may as well be legal. It just makes me crazy when people rush to get to the front of a line or cut me off and then drive at or below the speed limit. If you are going to rush then rush. Also, I hate the crazy lane changes here. Is it that hard to signal your intent and then check that you can make it and it is that hard for drivers to see your signal and not speed up to stop you from changing lanes? Driving in Korea is like driving around with a bunch of drunk, retarded monkeys.
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
whatever wrote:
Tip no. 1: Don't drive in Korea. You, as the foreigner are just about always in the wrong.


Makes sense if you're in a big city, but if you're outside the urban areas, a car makes life a lot more enjoyable!


That doesn't even come close to addressing my point.

It's more than likely that, barring overly-obvious, witnessed negligence (and even then, good luck), you'll be on the receiving end of suspicion for causing any sort of incident with a car...by virtue of being a foreigner.
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that guy



Joined: 29 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typhoon wrote:
There is also the "honk because you are allowing two feet of space between u n the car infront of you"- I get this all the time. Where I come from tailgating is illegal so I let a little space. If you honk at me for leaving a space...I go slower. If you tailgate me I will go even slower... Twisted Evil



Only out done by the gentleman tailgating who has decided the best way to get me to speed up is by turning in their high beams (Of course I slow down to equal the speed of the car beside me, thus boxing them in).
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