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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: Pedo scandal and visa runs; end of the quick visa run? |
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So is the new criminal background check the end of quick visa runs? Will veteran teachers be sent back home to get a new background check done? |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Pedo scandal and visa runs; end of the quick visa run? |
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jdog2050 wrote: |
So is the new criminal background check the end of quick visa runs? Will veteran teachers be sent back home to get a new background check done? |
I got my background check while I was still in Korea. All I had to do send a check for my the fees and shipping. Then they sent me my backrgound check to me in Korea. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Really no official announcement yet on how it will all play out. Teachers looking for a new visa for the new year are forced to play a waiting game right now with a bunch of speculation. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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This will be difficult for UK citizens. We can't request criminal record checks independently. The employers have to do it on our behalf. However, if you're renewing at the same school, would you have to get another check done? |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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^ not quite true.
You can ask for that letter from your local constabulary which shows any convictions.
10 quid one. Forgot the name for now. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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mrsquirrel wrote: |
^ not quite true.
You can ask for that letter from your local constabulary which shows any convictions.
10 quid one. Forgot the name for now. |
That's the Subject Access Check. I had it done last time, but it's not a thorough examination of your background, rather it is a note to check if there is any note of criminal conviction in their database. However, after the pedo scandal, it's possible that a more detailed check might be required in future. So, for UK citizens this could be tricky. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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cj1976 wrote: |
mrsquirrel wrote: |
^ not quite true.
You can ask for that letter from your local constabulary which shows any convictions.
10 quid one. Forgot the name for now. |
That's the Subject Access Check. I had it done last time, but it's not a thorough examination of your background, rather it is a note to check if there is any note of criminal conviction in their database. However, after the pedo scandal, it's possible that a more detailed check might be required in future. So, for UK citizens this could be tricky. |
I'm a little confused now. I had the ten pound police check that said that I had no convictions or criminal record of any description. What would be the point of having a deeper search. If I haven't done anything of note in England that was wasn't on the first one, how can I get a more detailed one. Will it have a speeding ticket on it? Will it say "We don't believe this guy to be a pedo, but you never know, eh, difficult to tell, sneaky little buggers aren't they!" "We feel that this guy could possibly kill or be killed in the duration of his life" Wouldn't clairvoyant police records be a bummer! |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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The officer I talked to said that even if I did have a criminal record the Subject Access would not say what the offence was. It would merely state that they have the data on file. If you want to work with kiddies, the elderly and vulnerable etc, you need the full CRB, which is a lot more expensive and can only be requested by companies or employers. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:58 am Post subject: |
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So technically, if my first check was clear and said no info on file, then there would be no need for a second check? Obviously if it said there was info on the file then this would lead to the CRS check? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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As someone stated, the new regulations haven't come out yet. So this is all speculation at this point. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: |
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The interviews at your own embassy is the new one to me.
But when I applied in April this year, I had to submit two references, criminal record check and a medical check, this was for an EPIK contract. It just depends on how deep they are going to make the criminal check. By the sounds of it the FBI check is gonna be a pain.
However I do think this is a very good step. If enough displeasure is shown about the interviews then they may just make the criminal check, references and medical check policy.
But as you say it's still speculation. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Of course, the lawmakers need to remember that most people who commit bad acts such as pedophilia, school shootings, rape, and murder do not have a criminal record. Duh! Risks like this usually cannot be detected with conventional methods such as a criminal background check and interview, but a basic check and health evaluation is the best bet they still have.
Inconvenience all those who are no problem to society is downright stupid and expensive for all parties involved. Until we get the technology to accurately profile people and predict what they will do, all these politically charged measures are senseless.
Brain scan and artificial intelligence personality profiling anyone? flame me on these ideas. Yes, AI brain scans will come about, but not this year. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:39 am Post subject: |
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cj1976 wrote: |
This will be difficult for UK citizens. We can't request criminal record checks independently. The employers have to do it on our behalf. However, if you're renewing at the same school, would you have to get another check done? |
A basic disclosure will be enough. It's not the most thorough check but it will show recent convictions and any serious offences like rape, murder, and sex offences. (considering the sentences that accompany these crimes most would never become spent). I think that should be good enough. I remember reading somewhere that you can get one online. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Dome Vans wrote: |
I'm a little confused now. I had the ten pound police check that said that I had no convictions or criminal record of any description. What would be the point of having a deeper search. If I haven't done anything of note in England that was wasn't on the first one, how can I get a more detailed one. Will it have a speeding ticket on it? Will it say "We don't believe this guy to be a pedo, but you never know, eh, difficult to tell, sneaky little buggers aren't they!" "We feel that this guy could possibly kill or be killed in the duration of his life" Wouldn't clairvoyant police records be a bummer! |
In the UK there are three types of criminal background checks.
1. Basic Disclosure - this will show all unspent convictions. (serious offences usually result in long prison sentences so they never become spent and would show up)
2. Standard Disclosure - this will show all convictions irrespective of whether they are spent or not.
3. Enhanced Disclosure - this will show all convictions irrespective of whether they are spent or not and any other information the police force deems necessary to include. (such as being repeatedly accused of child sex offences)
The second two cannot be obtained unless you work in the UK. The basic disclosure can be obtained abroad and should be good enough anywhere. (anyone convicted of child sex offences for example wouldn't benefit from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act and thus the basic check) |
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zeppelin
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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The second two cannot be obtained unless you work in the UK. The basic disclosure can be obtained abroad and should be good enough anywhere. (anyone convicted of child sex offences for example wouldn't benefit from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act and thus the basic check)[/quote]
Does anyone know what the procedure is to get the basic disclosure and where you can get one if you are abroad? |
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