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Julius
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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: Saudis punish rape victim with 200 lashes and 6 months jail. |
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Why is no country condemning Saudi Arabia over this?
Saudi gang-rape victim is jailed
By Frances Harrison
BBC News
An appeal court in Saudi Arabia has doubled the number of lashes and added a jail sentence as punishment for a woman who was gang-raped.
The victim was initially punished for violating laws on segregation of the sexes - she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.
On appeal, the Arab News reported that the punishment was not reduced but increased to 200 lashes and a six-month prison sentence.
The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.
The victim's lawyer was suspended from the case, has had his licence to work confiscated, and faces a disciplinary session.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7096814.stm |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Saudis punish rape victim with 200 lashes and 6 months j |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Why is no country condemning Saudi Arabia over this? |
Rich people never have to be held accountable. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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This case has a lot to do with sectarianism of Sunni against Shia. Shia are the despised minority in the KSA. The victim and most of her attackers were Shia. The Sunnis got off fairly easy. We don't know what happened to the Shia attackers. They could get the death penalty.
The KSA is a country that has zero tolerance for sexual immorality. That's why they set up all these extreme sex segregation laws. And yes these Arab men travel to foreign countries for sex just like any other men from other countries. But if the KSA catches them, they could be in serious trouble with the Saudi government. Mind you they still torture people in the prisons to extremes so breaking the law in that country is very serious. People know the consequences.
Myanmar treats their people much worse. Women are regularly raped and there is nothing the government will do to help them. At least in the case of Saudi, they did punish the attackers. I think the woman's punishment is too severe. They probably wanted to make an example of her since she broke the law and this act is what contributed to the situation. |
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willardmusa
Joined: 28 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Saudis punish rape victim with 200 lashes and 6 months j |
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| twg wrote: |
| Rich people never have to be held accountable. |
If you have ever actually been to Saudi, you would know it really isn't a rich country. Yes, there are people who are rich; but, the county itself and the vast majority of people in it are very third world.
I lived there for two years recently. My impression: Saudi Arabia was the poorest country I had ever lived in (after having lived in quite a few, including countries not considered as wealthy, such as Malaysia and Thailand). (Did you know the country has something like 25% unemployment among its male population?)
That their gov't and judicial get by with the things they do probably has more to do with the unwillingness of other countries to do anything that might kindle the extremists' fires, like "meddling" in a Muslim country's internal affairs. And perhaps with the need to keep the Saudi government and elite in the western camp. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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willardmusa noted:
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| If you have ever actually been to Saudi, you would know it really isn't a rich country. Yes, there are people who are rich; but, the county itself and the vast majority of people in it are very third world. |
What you stated is correct.
Moreover, the judicial system in KSA is puritanical. Even the young woman's attorney was falsely discredited for having the temerity to question their judgment.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: no country that routinely and ruthlessly treats its female population as second-class citizens or worse, as of less value than animals, will ever amount to much as a culture or society. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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It's really too bad there isn't the move for international class revolution their was in the early part of the 20th century. One of the reason Saudis become terrorists is there aren't alot of other options, and rich extremist Saudis like Bin Laden pay them to kill themselves.
I wish Stalin hadn't screwed up communism. Capitalism is a bitch. At least for everyone who's poor. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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At the risk of encurring the wrath of every poster here, one point should be clarified. She was not sentenced to 200 lashed BECAUSE she was raped.
She was given a number of lashes because she had broken the Saudi governments strict rule on going out unaccompanied without a male relative. The number of lashes was increased as she went to the media and that action was deemed to have had put the defendants in a disadvantagous situation.
I doubt anyone here has the actual indepth knowledge needed to be able to factualy debate the in and outs of the Saudi legal system. To me, it seems barbaric and I wonder why western governments suppourt this regime but we should be mindful to present the actual facts. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| I wonder why western governments suppourt this regime but we should be mindful to present the actual facts. |
Because the Saudis own a significant part of the American economy and control the American government. That's why. They rule the world behind curtains. Follow the money trail and it leads straight to Saudi. The war in Iraq has more to do with Saudis wanting to weed out a huge competitor than anything. The Saudi regime can buy anything they want. They control a very significant part of the world economy. It's power. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: Re: Saudis punish rape victim with 200 lashes and 6 months j |
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| willardmusa wrote: |
| twg wrote: |
| Rich people never have to be held accountable. |
If you have ever actually been to Saudi, you would know it really isn't a rich country. Yes, there are people who are rich; but, the county itself and the vast majority of people in it are very third world.
I lived there for two years recently. My impression: Saudi Arabia was the poorest country I had ever lived in (after having lived in quite a few, including countries not considered as wealthy, such as Malaysia and Thailand). (Did you know the country has something like 25% unemployment among its male population?)
That their gov't and judicial get by with the things they do probably has more to do with the unwillingness of other countries to do anything that might kindle the extremists' fires, like "meddling" in a Muslim country's internal affairs. And perhaps with the need to keep the Saudi government and elite in the western camp. |
Oh come on now. There are countries that are far less off than the KSA. Ever been to Yemen or Jordan? Now that is third world. Sure Saudi has many impoverished minorities, especially among their landed immigrants from Palestine, Pakistan. But the Saudi males don't all have to work as they can milk off the government just like many of the Gulf Arabs. Employment rates means nothing. Some people don't have to work. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| I've said it before and I'll say it again: no country that routinely and ruthlessly treats its female population as second-class citizens or worse, as of less value than animals, will ever amount to much as a culture or society. |
Read your European/Western history a little more and you'll see just how Western males have treated women over the years. It�s horrendous!!! You sound like an imperialist with a bigoted mindset who seeks to judge all other cultures because you feel the inherited right.
I find it really strange that you glorify China when they are some of the worst when it comes to how they treat women. It's always been that way in China. |
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